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Playing tP mK vs. preflop agg
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roymunson451
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10-09-2006, 02:41 PM
Post subject: Playing tP mK vs. preflop agg
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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I encounter this scenario often, and I am curious what the best action is.
Early, usual loose table.
For instance, Hero = As9h, as CO
Folded to Hero.
Hero R.
BU RR.
SB folds.
BB folds.
Hero calls?
Flop As7d2c
Hero?
How to play this hand? Bet for value w/TP? or wait and R/F if BU bets/RR?
This is always tough, as it seems if i fold early, then some clown w/JJ being agg steals my pot. But if I go to call down mode, I am trumped by AJ. Basically, i have a difficult time knowing when I am ahead or behind on these hands.
Thoughts?
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dsaxton
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4-of-a-Kind
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Just call down against most players. This allows you to lose the minimum when outkicked, and win the maximum when it induces your opponent to overplay a second best hand or continue with a hopeless bluff.
If the player is ultraconservative, then you can fold the turn unimproved.
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StinkyBeaver
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Flush
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Location: Denmark
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as Dsaxton says just call down.
This is WA/WB and there are two reasonable lines IMO. things is your are OOP. villians hand range I presume is Mid pockets, KQ and aces with better kicker than yours.
I check/call both flop and turn, depending on the cards I might donk river as you'll more often than not get a bet from KK and QQ this way. However don't do this against an opponent whom will raise that river.
Sometimes a good player will take a freecard on turn and that sucks, but let's face it beeing OOP always sucks. I am ok with losing this one bet compared to spewing extra bets against players with better aces
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arkitekton
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Always a knotty problem...
Quote:
For instance, Hero = As9h, as CO
Folded to Hero.
Hero R.
BU RR.
SB folds.
BB folds.
Hero calls?
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You must call--or find another table. If the button finds you that easy to push around, you'll have problems from here on in. Calling the 3 bet then obliges you to play on when an Ace flops (otherwise you're looking for a 9 and not much else). What do you put villain on in these situations?
A typical, if fairly tight range, is something like
AA-77, AK, AQ, AJs, KQs.
Feel free to disagree, but I've tended to run into this range of hands. That means that on the type of flop (uncoordinated, no other face cards) you gave you're ahead in the neighborhood of two-thirds of the time.
67 or so% is almost enough to check-raise or bet out on, even though by doing so you're giving villain odds: with a better hand he's likely to raise or keep raising. Obviously, then, it's too good a hand and flop for you to fold. Check calling is what I prefer here, mainly because in addition to giving odds by betting out or check-raising, I don't want him folding early with a smaller pocket pair that didn't flop a set and is unlikely to improve.
It's critical to put an opponent on a hand here--it's one thing if he's likely to 3 bet only with AA-QQ and AK, another if he'll 3 bet with the range I mentioned, and another entirely if he'll 3 bet with any Ace or any pair.
You might look at it this way (which assumes no one improves after the flop, and discounts the effect of the rake): Once villain 3 bets, there are 6.25 small bets in the pot. If he has a pair of Aces with a good kicker he'll bet to and on the river, so you'll need to put in 6 small bets against 11.25 to get to the showdown. If he has less than Aces, let's assume he'll bet the flop and turn and check the river if you don't bet. You'll win 9.25 small bets in these cases. In other words, roughly, you're putting in 6 small bets to try to win 9.25 small bets-- you therefore only need to win 40% of these confrontation to break even. Take it from there.
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roymunson451
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Originally Posted by arkitekton
Always a knotty problem...
Quote:
For instance, Hero = As9h, as CO
Folded to Hero.
Hero R.
BU RR.
SB folds.
BB folds.
Hero calls?
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You must call--or find another table. If the button finds you that easy to push around, you'll have problems from here on in. Calling the 3 bet then obliges you to play on when an Ace flops (otherwise you're looking for a 9 and not much else). What do you put villain on in these situations?
A typical, if fairly tight range, is something like
AA-77, AK, AQ, AJs, KQs.
Feel free to disagree, but I've tended to run into this range of hands. That means that on the type of flop (uncoordinated, no other face cards) you gave you're ahead in the neighborhood of two-thirds of the time.
67 or so% is almost enough to check-raise or bet out on, even though by doing so you're giving villain odds: with a better hand he's likely to raise or keep raising. Obviously, then, it's too good a hand and flop for you to fold. Check calling is what I prefer here, mainly because in addition to giving odds by betting out or check-raising, I don't want him folding early with a smaller pocket pair that didn't flop a set and is unlikely to improve.
It's critical to put an opponent on a hand here--it's one thing if he's likely to 3 bet only with AA-QQ and AK, another if he'll 3 bet with the range I mentioned, and another entirely if he'll 3 bet with any Ace or any pair.
You might look at it this way (which assumes no one improves after the flop, and discounts the effect of the rake): Once villain 3 bets, there are 6.25 small bets in the pot. If he has a pair of Aces with a good kicker he'll bet to and on the river, so you'll need to put in 6 small bets against 11.25 to get to the showdown. If he has less than Aces, let's assume he'll bet the flop and turn and check the river if you don't bet. You'll win 9.25 small bets in these cases. In other words, roughly, you're putting in 6 small bets to try to win 9.25 small bets-- you therefore only need to win 40% of these confrontation to break even. Take it from there.
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Interesting analysis, you seem right that check calling appears to be the best action. Thats what I have usually done, but like I said, it seems more often than not I get outkicked...but thats poker. Though occasionally I catch QQ or KQ
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