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05-16-2006, 09:50 PM
Post subject: Playing for sets
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4-of-a-Kind
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Another hypothetical, but I think this one is easier than Pot Odds 102.
A player in EP raises (or limps, doesnt really matter) preflop. You hold 66 in LP. There are some cold callers / limpers. How many do you want? For arguments sake, you need to hit your set to win.
You bricked the flop. How big of a pot do you need to see a turn?
Preflop: Hero is Button with 4 , 4 .
UTG calls, MP raises, Hero ?
Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 7 .
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, Hero ?
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Well, to me, both questions are a big 'ol it depends. Typically, I don't like cold calling with small pp unless it's the most ideal situation. Usually, I want to be on the button with everyone in before me. But regardless of the exact preflop situation, it really depends on my feel of the postflop play of the players at the table. If there are 2 or more players that will stay in to the river or will cap the betting with top pair or two pair, I'm much more inclined to call here. If it is a table where on the right boards I can actually value bet any pair because I can tell no one has a hand at all, I will be more inclined to call. There are some tables where a hand like 66 will win oh, about 10-15% of the time and can be value bet on the river in those situations. Another preflop consideration is does the SB or BB like to 3-bet habitually with almost any 2 because they like to gambool. That combined with a table that doesn't pay off well post flop really kills the odds (not the most common situation, but I see it often enough to mention). Of course, I am pretty religiously against cold calling, and I think the last time I checked, I only did it 4 times in 12k hands.
Post flop, it's not just how many bets are in the pot, but board texture and the nature of the opponents. Short-handed a hand like 77 holds up often enough that it shouldn't just be automatically tossed on a whiff, even with only 6 or 8 sb in the pot. For me it is getting a feel for what the other players are likely to do and how much I expect to be able to get some value for an unimproved hand. If the initial raiser bets the flop and I know he likes to bet overs on a whiff and the board is right, and I think I have a good chance to thin the field and take control, I'll raise it up. For my game, this happens a lot more often than just calling with implied odds for the set.
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