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Strung
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04-04-2005, 06:46 PM
Post subject: Playing the blinds (SB)
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Straight
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I'm just curious about what you guys complete your SB with. I know I keep saying this but in SSH , they recommend playing the SB with any two suited cards and basically anything you would play from late position obviously against no raise. I guess I don't understand why you would play cards that you would only consider playing from late position in SB when you are first to act. 2h7h is something that I wouldn't even consider from button nevermind being the first to act. Same goes for hands like ATo.
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Rondavu
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If I'm in the SB, I'll play almost anything for no raise if there are enough limpers. Your pot odds are outstanding with any hand in a multi way unraised pot. Just be careful. Don't bet out with top pair bad kicker. A lot of people will get A3 offsuit here and bet out when an ace pops. Your better off checking and trailing. If you bet out and someone calls, you don't know if they're calling you down with a better ace. If you check aound and everyone else does too, you can be more confident your ace is good, and you might even stick your neck out there by leading out the turn bet.
It's very tough to play hands here. You want to get more than just a piece of the flop. If you don't then seriously consider folding. The reason for this is your in a pot with like 5 or more people. There's an increased probability that someone will have better than one pair when all is said and done. It will only get you in trouble to be bold with slim holdings. Your calling the other half of your blind in an unraised multi way to flop or draw to a monster. Beyond that it's tough to make money. Just remember that a lot of the time it's correct to complete your blind and see a flop when a pot is large and unraised. I think you can minimize blind losses if you play a wide array of hands correctly. Only raise huge hands.
Just don't get yourself in trouble by being an aggressive blind operator. Playing blinds is really fun if you become good at it.
Also I wanted to mention that there's no shame in completing your blind and then folding when the big blind raises behind you. I think for a lot of people that's a big leak. Just fold it unless it's a pretty damn good hand.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Chicago_Kid
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
If I'm in the SB, I'll play almost anything for no raise if there are enough limpers. Your pot odds are outstanding with any hand in a multi way unraised pot. Just be careful. Don't bet out with top pair bad kicker. A lot of people will get A3 offsuit here and bet out when an ace pops. Your better off checking and trailing. If you bet out and someone calls, you don't know if they're calling you down with a better ace. If you check aound and everyone else does too, you can be more confident your ace is good, and you might even stick your neck out there by leading out the turn bet.
It's very tough to play hands here. You want to get more than just a piece of the flop. If you don't then seriously consider folding. The reason for this is your in a pot with like 5 or more people. There's an increased probability that someone will have better than one pair when all is said and done. It will only get you in trouble to be bold with slim holdings. Your calling the other half of your blind in an unraised multi way to flop or draw to a monster. Beyond that it's tough to make money. Just remember that a lot of the time it's correct to complete your blind and see a flop when a pot is large and unraised. I think you can minimize blind losses if you play a wide array of hands correctly. Only raise huge hands.
Just don't get yourself in trouble by being an aggressive blind operator. Playing blinds is really fun if you become good at it.
Also I wanted to mention that there's no shame in completing your blind and then folding when the big blind raises behind you. I think for a lot of people that's a big leak. Just fold it unless it's a pretty damn good hand.
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Agree with Rondavu...good points above. I usually fold Ax here, as being out of position leaves you pretty helpless. I look for medium suited and connectors to complete, allowing me to check most draws and watch for enough callers to give me odds to call. I usually don't call raises with anything but mid/high pairs or big cards, dep. on the raiser, and participation. If it looks like a steal via an open-raise from the CO or button, I might re-raise a mid-pair to take the BB, and fight it out from there.
Important point above is to throw away marginal hands (KT, QJ, etc.) to EP and MP raises b/c you're likely dominated AND out of position for the rest of the hand.
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Chicago_Kid
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04-04-2005, 07:55 PM
Post subject: Re: Playing the blinds (SB)
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Full House
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Originally Posted by Strung
Same goes for hands like ATo.
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I would play ATo in unraised pot in SB for sure.
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Fnord
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What's the structure?
1/3 - Really tight, I'm probably too loose.
2/5 - About the same
1/2 - SSH
2/3 - Just about any two, but I hesitate to think that completing with 72o, 83o, 74o, etc. is worth more than the 1/3 bet.
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Demiparadigm
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sb gives you an interesting advantage that most people ignore, which is relative position.
If you flop a hand like top pair weak kicker it is usually correct to check, and see how action develops. Then you can decide what to do with your hand as though you were last to act. If everyone checks to the CO or button who bets, a checkraise is often the best play with top pair, followed by a continuation on the turn. It shows more strength than you actually have, gets out a lot of hands that could outdraw you, as well as some that may have you beat, and you often win in a showdown unimproved.
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ArcticKnight
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
sb gives you an interesting advantage that most people ignore, which is relative position.
If you flop a hand like top pair weak kicker it is usually correct to check, and see how action develops. Then you can decide what to do with your hand as though you were last to act. If everyone checks to the CO or button who bets, a checkraise is often the best play with top pair, followed by a continuation on the turn. It shows more strength than you actually have, gets out a lot of hands that could outdraw you, as well as some that may have you beat, and you often win in a showdown unimproved.
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Good point
I'd never advocate that 1st to act is better than the button, but in 6H play you'd be suprised how many times that betting UTG post-flop (or after the turn) will take down one or two other players uncontested.
Watch some 6H and see how often you see the following with three players post-flop.
Postflop UTG bet, Call, Call
Turn UTG bet, Fold , Fold
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Rondavu
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sb gives you an interesting advantage that most people ignore, which is relative position.
If you flop a hand like top pair weak kicker it is usually correct to check, and see how action develops. Then you can decide what to do with your hand as though you were last to act. If everyone checks to the CO or button who bets, a checkraise is often the best play with top pair, followed by a continuation on the turn. It shows more strength than you actually have, gets out a lot of hands that could outdraw you, as well as some that may have you beat, and you often win in a showdown unimproved.
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Never thought of it that way, but I like it!
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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