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TheGermanWunderkind
Old 01-09-2007, 12:20 PM     Post subject: Playing against the tabledonk(2/4$) #1 (permalink)  

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Had 2 hands wich i think i made some mistakes in.

r.koste is the tabledonk, hes an Actionpalyer, he palys every hand try to outplay poeple etc.


so here is one Hand that you can see how he played


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Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with J T
UTG calls, [color:#cc0000]Button raises[/color], Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 2 9 Q (0SB, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, [color:#cc0000]UTG bets[/color], [color:#cc0000]Button raises[/color], Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: Q (0BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, [color:#cc0000]UTG bets[/color], Button calls, Hero calls.

River: Q (0BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, [color:#cc0000]UTG bets[/color], [color:#cc0000]Button raises[/color], Hero folds, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: 5BB

UTG, who was the maniac had A6o no pair no draw


yeah i know the Preflop call was too loose

so here the 2 hands

1. sry but the Hand isnt converting, so i hope it is readable

Texas Hold'em $0.002,00-$0.004,00 (real money), hand #1,472,435,868
Table Ndola, 1 Sep 2007 8:58 AM ET

Seat 5: AsmithA ($0.087,10 in chips)
Seat 7: r.koste ($0.041,85 in chips)
Seat 8: YOU_ARE_EASY ($0.145,30 in chips)
Seat 9: goingtilt [ AH,9H ] ($0.075,00 in chips)
Seat 10: topente ($0.210,70 in chips)
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AsmithA posts blind ($0.001,00), r.koste posts blind ($0.002,00).

PRE-FLOP
YOU_ARE_EASY folds, goingtilt bets $0.004,00, topente folds, AsmithA calls $0.003,00, r.koste calls $0.002,00.

FLOP [board cards KC,8S,KH ]
AsmithA checks, r.koste bets $0.002,00, goingtilt calls $0.002,00, AsmithA folds.

TURN [board cards KC,8S,KH,3S ]
r.koste bets $0.004,00, goingtilt calls $0.004,00.

RIVER [board cards KC,8S,KH,3S,7C ]
r.koste bets $0.004,00, goingtilt calls $0.004,00.

SHOWDOWN

think i should raise the Flop and fold to a 3bet, if he calls i should bet the Turn an try to get a free showdown or fold if he bets the Turn or the River?
Or should i let him take this Pot on the Flop?

2.

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Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with 3 A
UTG calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: K 6 3 (3.5SB, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets[/color], Hero raises[/color], UTG calls, Button folds.

Turn: 4 (1.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: 6 (1.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks,UTG bets[/color], Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 1.75BB


think the Flop was right but the River call was dumb. What do you think about the Flop, can i find a fold there?
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Old 01-09-2007, 01:36 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: does he have a history of betting flops before the action gets back to the PFR'er? What has he shown in these spots? Board is non drawy. He probably has some sort of pocket pair or an 8. You could call and peel the turn or raise and look for him to shut down. I don't like just going into call down mode here.

Hand 2: Flop c/r'ing is better when you are fairly certain you have the best hand. There isn't too good of a line here. The question becomes what is UTG cc 2 bets with on the flop? I would shut down after his coldcall b/c there is no feasbile draw for him to have on this flop. If he happened to play 45s you are now beat on the turn. Really do not like c/r'ing this flop with bottom pair.
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Hand 1: does he have a history of betting flops before the action gets back to the PFR'er? What has he shown in these spots?
i forgot to show the results of the first hand where i wanted to show how the Maniac(UTG, r.koste) who is the Button in Hand to, i editet it and you can look now how r.koste in Hand one and Button in hand 2 was palying.
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Hand 1: does he have a history of betting flops before the action gets back to the PFR'er? What has he shown in these spots?
i forgot to show the results of the first hand where i wanted to show how the Maniac(UTG, r.koste) who is the Button in Hand to, i editet it and you can look now how r.koste in Hand one and Button in hand 2 was palying.
mmmmm.....reads

I would probably just call down each one of his barrells in the A9 hand. The other hand, meh, tough spot.
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Hand 1: Ram and jam the flop, you have exactly 300 outs. We could even debate 3-betting preflop. There are definately different schools of thought when it comes to blind defense. I was more aligned with the call / check-raise flop school. I don't play LHE anymore, but I am starting to think 3-betting was more of an Ivy League school.
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Old 01-09-2007, 05:55 PM #6 (permalink)  
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We could even debate 3-betting preflop. There are definately different schools of thought when it comes to blind defense.
Wasn't a steal so would make a 3bet spew preflop. On the flop I'm putting as many bets as the guy will let me on this flop. You're still 1/3 to win on the turn so I continue to bet.


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The action donk raising on the button 4 handed isnt a steal? Or its not a steal cause UTG limped?
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 cuz UTG limped, changes the hand completely regarding button's raise already knowing he's going to get at least one caller. Also, TJs HU OOP is possibly the worst spot to have it, as you're a underdog to any reraising range and the initiative that you gain is not worth the money paid for it.


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If hes an action donk, is his range much different than if someone didnt limp?
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