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redih

02-26-2005, 03:43 AM Post subject: Played AA correctly?

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A

, A

. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
[color:#666666]1 fold[/color], UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], [color:#666666]4 folds[/color], UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 9

, 7

, 4

[color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) J

[color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, [color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], [color:#CC3333]UTG+1 raises[/color], MP1 calls, [color:#CC3333]Hero 3-bets[/color], UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (14.75 BB) 9

[color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

What do you think he has, and would u have played AA the same way?
and sorry, I don't know which type of forum to pick

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redih

02-26-2005, 04:47 AM

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with :ac, :ah.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) :5c, :6d, :9d (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) :kh (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Button folds, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, SB calls.

River: (16 BB) :td (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, SB raises, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 21 BB

1st hand at a table, played correctly?

Or how about this hand? It's not AA but

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with Kd, 6d.
UTG calls, [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], MP3 calls, [color:#666666]2 folds[/color], Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 3c, Ah, Ks [color:#0000FF](4 players)[/color]
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: (2 BB) 6s [color:#0000FF](4 players)[/color]
[color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], BB folds, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

River: (5 BB) Jd [color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
[color:#CC3333]Hero bets[/color], UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results in white below: [color:#FFFFFF]
Hero has Kd 6d (two pair, kings and sixes).
UTG has 6c As (two pair, aces and sixes).
MP3 has 7h Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: UTG wins 8 BB. [/color]

I know the 2nd hand isn't AA, but still....

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guitarhero14

02-26-2005, 06:36 AM

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[color:#CC3333] in FTR equals [color=red]. One hand you have the card pics showing but no color, next one you have the color but no card pics, last one you have no cards or colors. How did you manage this?

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02-26-2005, 06:38 AM

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hand 1: what happened on the river? regardless, bet it.

hand 2: TERRIBLE FOLD. DO NOT FOLD! you're getting 20:1 to call. which means you just need to win once in 20 times just to break even. i think your aces are good more than that.

hand 3: it's a small pot, really not that worth it. just check fold the turn.

redih

02-26-2005, 06:54 AM

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1st hand: I lost to 96o
2nd hand: I knew I was beat, so why call? Both hands had me beat 1 str8, 1 flush.
3rd hand: what else am I gonna do?

I managed to do that by NOT reading the forum posting guidelines for hand histories. Which I have now read and figured out all I have to do is change : to = in the 2+2 format.

Since that last beat I've lost about 20 bucks to blinds/rivers...haven't had a showdown in 2 hours and haven't had a hand that would've won. Thinking about throwing in the towel for tonight. But please answer the ? to #2, if that board came that way each time and they bet that way each time, I'll fold every time.

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02-26-2005, 07:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by redih

2nd hand: I knew I was beat, so why call? Both hands had me beat 1 str8, 1 flush.

win this situation more than once every 20 times and you'll profit.

put it another way, win this more than 4.8% of the time and you profit. clearly your aces will win more than that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by redih

3rd hand: what else am I gonna do?

you're risking 1 bet to win 2 bets, vs 2 players who may have a weak ace. it's really not worth it.

Trikflow77

02-26-2005, 08:03 AM

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hyper are you tellling him to fold 2 pair on the turn in the 3 hand??

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02-26-2005, 09:46 PM

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Hyper, I would bet here also with two pair. Granted, its a small pot, but he should bet out because he's a a pretty big favorite to win. Its not his fault there was a bigger idiot with 2 pair that beat him. I say good play.

And, um, hand 2: If you ever fold this again I'm going to hunt you down and kill you!!!

But seriously, dont fold for 1 bet in a 20 BB pot, ever.

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Gatlin Dan

02-26-2005, 09:57 PM

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the only time you would maybe fold a hand in a pot this size on the river if if you are drawing to a straight or a mid-low flush and miss. If you have any type of made hand, risk that extra bet to have the showdown, especially with AA. You have to think long term in these situations. You may have lost the hand this time but it still would have only cost you one extra bet. If you do this everytime, you will be folding a winning hand some of the time. calling costs one bet, folding could cost 20 bets.

Hyper's right, as long as you have the winning hand at least one in 20 times, you will profit from calling here. You may save a bet from folding when you are pretty sure you're beat, but you will forfit a whole pot when you fold when you're not. the pot is too big not to see a showdown.

02-26-2005, 10:20 PM

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I think Hyper has just missed the fact that he had caught 2 pair on the turn.

Played fine on hand 3 in my opinion.

Trikflow77

02-26-2005, 10:22 PM

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I think he missed it also.

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02-26-2005, 10:38 PM

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i swear i replied saying whoops already...

but yeah i missed it. all that cc3333 and color=red threw me off.

redih

02-27-2005, 01:44 AM

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Yea, I totally understand what you guys are saying about hand 2. How it would be profitable to call this 20 times. I'm going to begin posting some more hand histories....

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rob6597

02-27-2005, 03:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

i swear i replied saying whoops already...

Hyper, I'll vouch for you... I saw your post earlier today saying you thought he only paired the K.

redih

02-27-2005, 04:23 AM

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A

, A

. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 9

, 7

, 4

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) J

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (14.75 BB) 9

(3 players)
MP1 checks.
UTG+1 checks.
Hero bets [$1].
MP1 calls [$1].
UTG+1 is all-In [$0.75]

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has Jc 8h (two pair, jacks and nines).
MP1 has Qh 9d (three of a kind, nines).
Hero has As Ad (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: MP1 wins 14.75 BB.

That's the ending, I think I played it perfectly and maximized everything, especiallywith the last guy all in. Lucky 9, oh well. I had to insert the river checks/raises myself, I dunno why the converter won't add it in?

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02-28-2005, 10:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by redih

Yea, I totally understand what you guys are saying about hand 2. How it would be profitable to call this 20 times. I'm going to begin posting some more hand histories....

Redih...I would provide another thought on this fold behavior above...if you do this often, even the LAP'ers will take notice and start firing at you. Then, you'll have no idea where you are in future hands. This makes for a world of hurt.

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redih

03-01-2005, 03:16 AM

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Here's my current stats in poker tracker:
VP$IP %: 18%
PFR%: 10%
BB/100: 18
Total Hands: 2318

It shows me as TAA: Tight-Aggressive / Aggressive. I don't think I have to worry about people thinking I'm passive.

And that's a combination of NL/LHE, mostly NL.

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03-01-2005, 04:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by redih

And that's a combination of NL/LHE, mostly NL.

Filter out the NL.

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redih

03-01-2005, 05:47 AM

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VPIP: 19
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BB/100:5
Total hands: 682

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Trikflow77

03-01-2005, 09:50 AM

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redih

03-02-2005, 02:22 AM

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I can't magically pull out 30k hands. I play maybe 6hrs a week if I can't sleep or if I have to write a paper. Full time job + college + gf = little time for poker.

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