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08-27-2008, 06:46 AM
Post subject: Peeling with overcards
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This table is full of weak players, which means my original raise was probably wrong, I'm supposed to play more passively
Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K , 10
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button 3-bets, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls
Flop: (15.0 SB) 6 , 2 , 3 (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP1 calls, Hero folds...
I'm getting odds to call, but I don't know which of my cards is alive if any, and if I'm already behind or not
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Ragnar4
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Billings, Montana
Posts: 1,284
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SSH quote:
Each over is worth 1.5 outs. To account for hitting and still not being good.
Meaning you have approx 3 outs here.
You have odds to peel to the turn
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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socal1111
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 191
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Is raising ever an option?
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"We don't stop playing because we get old. We get old because we stop playing!" -Doyle
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Ragnar4
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Billings, Montana
Posts: 1,284
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If you can guarantee you'll see the river for free... yes.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by socal1111
Is raising ever an option?
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I have the 3-bettor behind me, he could 3-bet me if I raised, or raise if I called.
Even then, I can't guarantee seeing the next card free because if I check the turn after raising the flop the button might bet
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okiman
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 171
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I'm interested to hear what other, better players then I have to say, but for me this is a spot where reads/stats play a big role. Some regulars in my game will only donk w/ 2 pair or better, a few will only donk a set or better. If you've got a tight blind and an aggressive postflop button, I'd fold here. You might be drawing dead. You're very likely drawing to a runner-runner at best and will have to pay 2-3 bets to see the turn.
If you've got a true donk in the blind and a nitty button, I'd raise to drive out the button and clean up your outs (or have him define his hand here) and usually get a free turn card.
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
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With the button 3bettor behind us and someone leading into us plus a call, I just fold this. Raising would be a huge spew, especially against guys who will chase an ace in this spot.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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okiman
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 171
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My bad. I didn't notice MP1 already called.
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