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LeFou
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09-25-2005, 08:47 PM
Post subject: Passivity > LeFou
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4-of-a-Kind
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okay this is happening to me constantly in 6max and it pisses me off.
It folds around to me on button or SB and I've got one of those hands that's pretty strong when no one else seems interested. Say A6o. So I'll raise and be head up with a blind.
What keeps happening is that I bet every street, whether I catch (e.g. the 6) or not, and with no raise I assume I'm leading. And opp keeps showing a pair, often top pair.
And I'm torn between the desire to make this stop happening to me and the fear of slowing down and giving too many free cards.
probably you don't slow these down, usually. probably i'm just remembering the crappy hands. Like I'll be pistoff about that, then 2 hands later I'll catch the A and someone will cap the turn with me like a tool. And it cheers me up.
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jmontis
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you're thinking small, the thing about value betting is you have to replay the situation over and over again to see the true value.
pocket 2s are going to beat any unpaired hand more in the long run, Douseawhy?
It is harder to flop a pair than it is to not flop a pair, so it is more likely your opponents have nothing when you have something, just use your head.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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LeFou
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i'm confused.
i'm not talking about my Ax versus a pp. I'm talking about Ax or K8s versus an inferior unpaired hand, the guy figures what the hell i'm in a blind i'll call a raise with e.g. Q5, K3, etc.
Now, if I somehow manage to see a flop with a hand like that, and i pair it up and the guy bets into me, i'm raising every time. every time. What're you gonna do, slowplay queens with a five kicker?
So I assume this about other people too. Which, obviously, will not always be a valid assumption. But am I making money when they fail to raise their pairs? Or just losing less money? If the latter, is it possible to lose even less (by e.g. not betting the river if you've been called twice?) Other thoughts?
In six max I consider an ace-high on the river value bet unless someone has fought back. But I'm new to six max.
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jmontis
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I don't know what to say, but be less results oriented. When you think you have the best hand, bet. If you think the guy is trapping you or being tricky, don't raise inferior hands.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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LeFou
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i dig; will keep practicing.
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jmontis
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when I only played nl, I had a tough time dealing with the variance limit offers, but that variance goes both ways when you learn to value bet in good spots.
a tight player might show a 15-20bb profit from a session, a smart aggresssive player may see 25-50bb when conditions are right.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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I wouldn't bet on the river with ace high... the general pattern I see a lot is call-call-fold (when they hit nothing by the river) call-call-raise (when they have a really strong hand, i.e. better than TPTK) call-call-call (any pair)
Maybe it's different at your stakes or in 6 max, but usually king high doesn't CALL the river unimproved.
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Fnord
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You're playing heads-up in tough spots. It takes practice to get those spots right. Just like it took practice to feel comfortably playing AKo after it misses.
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