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Nehmer
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01-11-2007, 06:32 PM
Post subject: passive overpair vs semi-maniac
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Villain is 35/20 over about 100 hands and is almost playing decent 6-max typed poker postflop at full ring, but is definately a bit overaggressive. I don't really like my line, but don't know where I could change it. I'm pretty sure if I donk the flop or check-raise him, he's just gonna reraise me. I could donk the turn, but I don't know what good that does me....Anyway, thoughts??
PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T , T .
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero calls.
Flop: (7.33 SB) 9, 2 , 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.
Turn: (4.66 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.
River: (6.66 BB) J (2 players)
Hero....
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bigspenda73
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IMO Nehmer I would leave the river action out, I think it will skew opinions.
The question is how many times does AK/AQ fire a 3rd barrell compared to how many times they call a donk from you.
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bigspenda73
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B/f seems too weak
b/c seems like a spew
checking gives up too much value
I think it's just a tough spot. I probably b/c. You want A hi hands to call you as well as not letting 88/A9 check behind. If raised I could probably find enough hands in his range to make a call worth it.
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double donk? with a good read you might be able to fold to his raising your turn donk.
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euphoricism
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I probably just c/c down. AK AQ aint callin a river donk anyway. Biggest concern is 88 checking behind, and i'm not too worried. Good spot for passivity, me thinks.
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Ltrain
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
I probably just c/c down. AK AQ aint callin a river donk anyway. Biggest concern is 88 checking behind, and i'm not too worried. Good spot for passivity, me thinks.
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Wrong. On this flop, Ace high will call a donk with overcards often enough to consider a bet. However, too many hands will beat us to bet, especially if he is overly aggressive as indicated and may bluff raise us, and we would have to fold.
I like a check/call. Win the most, lose the least against likely overcards with such a bland board.
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Xanadu
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I cap preflop, bet and re-raise the flop, bet turn and river, but consider c/c on the river if raised on the turn. If I know he 3-bets as loose as he raises preflop, and is loose/aggressive post-flop, I'm going to lead every street almost no matter what the action is. Depending on reads, 3-betting the turn can even be good value.
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ChezJ
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c/r the flop or turn
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iceit
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ok I need something cleared up here. what do you guys mean when you say donk the turn?
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Nehmer
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Originally Posted by iceit
ok I need something cleared up here. what do you guys mean when you say donk the turn?
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Basically it is leading out with a bet on a street when somebody else put out the last bet/raise on the previous street.
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Prolaznik
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I wouldn't 3bet the flop, just bet and call the raise. I'd bet again on turn and c/c on river (whether I got raised on turn or not)
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DaNutsInYoEye
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quit min raising and push turn.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
quit min raising and push turn.
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And the award for the oldest joke in the book goes to...
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iceit
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Nehmer
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Originally Posted by iceit
ok I need something cleared up here. what do you guys mean when you say donk the turn?
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Basically it is leading out with a bet on a street when somebody else put out the last bet/raise on the previous street. |
thanks
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dsaxton
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How loose is he in calling bets / raises, particularly on big streets? Will he bet the river with ace high? I think it's hard to construct the best line without knowing more about how he plays.
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littleogre
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The line i would use and you guys may disagree but it works well for me versus overly aggressive players.
flop cc
turn cc
river cr
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euphoricism
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
I cap preflop, bet and re-raise the flop, bet turn and river, but consider c/c on the river if raised on the turn. If I know he 3-bets as loose as he raises preflop, and is loose/aggressive post-flop, I'm going to lead every street almost no matter what the action is. Depending on reads, 3-betting the turn can even be good value.
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