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pokerlearner
Old 04-19-2005, 05:35 AM     Post subject: Pain continues: Big hands all cracked. play any different?? #1 (permalink)  
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In last 2 days, I have had all these hands cracked. One of these of cours e is not a good hand to begin with (KJo) and shouldnt have played that one.

Please let me know the mistakes I made and what steps should I have taken to minimise losses. I sometimes take these hands too far. My big problem is that I sometimes get too much attached to them.

AA, KK, AKs, AQs all (-) so far (very small sample size though, 612 hands so far insignificant sample size i suppose).

biggest gainer for me QQ, 10-10, 9-9.


Also, after reading here, everyone praising pokertracker, finally bought it today. Used the link from this website. Hopefully the referral works. Its the least I could do after all the help you guys have given me.


Thanks to all of you for your time and efforts in analysis.
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Hand 1:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero raises, BB calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9, 5, 3 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 8 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, MP2 raises, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, MP2 calls, CO calls.

River: (16 BB) K (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 22 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kc Kd (three of a kind, kings).
MP2 has 9h Ah (one pair, nines).
CO has Qs Ts (flush, king high).
Outcome: CO wins 22 BB.
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Hand 2:


Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, A.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (14 SB) 3, A, 2 (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (9.50 BB) J (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 5d 5h (straight, five high).
UTG doesn't show.
Hero has Ah Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: SB wins 12.50 BB.
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Hand 3:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K, J. MP2 posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP2 (poster) calls, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 2, 2, K (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, MP2 folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 5 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Qs Ks (two pair, kings and twos).
Hero has Kh Jd (two pair, kings and twos).
Outcome: UTG wins 11.25 BB.
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Hand 4:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 5 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 4, A, 5 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, SB raises, Hero folds, UTG+2 calls.

River: (8.50 BB) Q (2 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 4s Js (two pair, jacks and fours).
UTG+2 has Jc Qc (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 12.50 BB.
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Hand 5:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A, K.
[i]2 folds, Hero raises, [i]1 fold, MP2 :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls, [i]4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 2, T, 8 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Villain calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Villain checks.

River: (4.75 BB) 8 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Villain checks.

Final Pot: 4.75 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 2s 9d (two pair, eights and twos).
Hero has Ad Ks (one pair, eights).
Villain has 4c As (two pair, eights and fours).
Outcome: Villain wins 4.75 BB.
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Hand 6:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, A.
[i]1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, [i]1 fold, MP3 :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls, [i]4 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) Q, 5, T (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Villain calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) A (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Villain calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 3 (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, Villain bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+2 doesn't show.
Hero has Qs As (two pair, aces and queens).
Villain has 3c Kd (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Villain wins 12.25 BB.
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Old 04-19-2005, 05:41 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 dude those are some truly bizarre and unlikely beats/suckouts you have been suffering. the good thing, however, is you managed to lose the minimum on each of the hands you showed. you were not punished by a lot of raises when you were beaten. this is a good thing. as long as you are making them pay when you have the best hand, you'll come out ahead.

chalk these losses up to the variance monster. i've been suffering too but things seem to be returning to normal for me.

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Old 04-19-2005, 06:01 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 i'm looking at hand 1 again and thinking that maybe you have to check-call the flop and check-raise the turn (if it's safe) in order to truly stop the flush draw. this is a move recommended in SSH when the pot is too big going into the flop and everyone has correct odds to draw to the turn, even gutshot chasers.

it's a very gutsy move and requires a safe turn card. otoh, if the turn is unsafe, you actually save money because you didn't bet the flop and you can make the needed laydown.

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Old 04-19-2005, 06:40 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I dropped $464 last time I played 6/12. Don'tcha love it when AA gets rivered all 3 times, KK goes 1 for 2 (and wins small on an Axx board) and lots of big flops go bad?
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Old 04-19-2005, 06:57 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the feedback.

I used to get all agitated about it earlier. But now after reading different people's posts on this forum, i have seen that it happens to everyone and i shouldnt be an exception.

Everytime it happens, after a few rants, I start telling myself. Its just "variance" - in the long run if as long as i keep fixing my game and try to play correct, results will take care of itself.
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Old 04-19-2005, 09:54 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I took a beat of 30+ BB last night and I lost almost half of it in this 2 cases:

KJ
flops
KJT
turn
4
river
4

I loose to.......
Q4!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KJ (again)
flops JJQ
turn
A
river
3

and I loose to J3

I reckon KJ is not the greatest hand ever, but it sure should beat Q4 and J3

anyway:
I will chill out for a day or two and win it all back soon
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:26 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Nice table selection. Get a good night's rest, go back out there and go get 'em!
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:49 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Hand1: CO's play is questionable here coldcalling on the turn. It is especially wrong if he knew you would 3bet behind. You will lose to flush draws on the river many times.

Hand2: Fine. Unlucky turn/river for you.

Hand3: MP2, KJo, with an EP raiser, muck preflop. Too easily dominated.

Hand4: Unnecessary agression by them on the turn. You folded the best hand (on the turn) but you will beat them when they make this play and you hold an A (and they dont river twopair).

Hand5: Maybe bet the turn? I'm 50-50, they're probably going to call so checking is ok too. These ragged flops can sometimes lead to reverse domination.

Hand6: Another perfect-perfect flush. Can't do much about that.
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Old 04-19-2005, 01:49 PM #9 (permalink)  
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happens..

i had a huge rush of cards on UB last night, pocket kings 4 times in under 15 minutes.. all 4 were cracked.

people at the table were convinced those cards are cursed.
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Old 04-19-2005, 05:37 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 i took quite a beating last week and i'm hoping the bloodletting is complete. i did pretty well over the weekend, making $165 in a live NL game. but my main concern is that i'm going back to arizona tomorrow and will be hitting the $3/$6 tables (full kill). i do NOT want to hit another shitty run of cards while i'm playing at that limit! last time i was there, i spent 2.5 days losing $500 with AA/KK/QQ/AKs/etc before my horrible luck finally normalized and i plowed my way back to breakeven by day 5. what a goddamn nightmare that was.

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