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Old 01-24-2005, 04:33 AM     Post subject: Pacific, when you have odds to draw to everything... #1 (permalink)  
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Preflop:

UTG+3 Posts BB
elipsesj Posts BB
MP2 Posts BB
SB posts
Mike4066 (BB) posts.

UTG+2 folds
UTG+3 checks
MP1 checks
MP2 checks
Button raises.
SB calls
Mike4066 calls
UTG+3 calls
elipsesj calls
MP2 calls

Pot = 12 SB

Flop:



SB checks
Mike 4066 checks
UTG+3 checks
elipsesjeff checks
MP2 bets
Button calls
SB folds
Mike4066 calls
UTG +3 calls
elipsesjeff calls

(pot odds to call for both mike and me were 16-1, not counting implied)

Pot = 8 BB

Dealing Turn: :Kh:

mike4066 checks
UTG+3 checks
elipsesjeff checks
MP2 bets
Button folds
Mike4066 calls
UTG+3 calls
elipsesjeff calls

(now its a no brainer...both getting 12-1 pot odds to call)

Pot = 12 BB

Dealing River:

mike4066 checks
UTG+3 checks
elipsesjeff bets
MP2 folds
mike4066 raises
UTG+3 folds.

(we both sucked out, sorry mike )

Final Pot = 16 BB

Mike4066 shows
elipsesjeff shows :Th:

elipsesjeff wins final pot, 16 BB, $96. with flush, K high with T kicker.

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Old 01-24-2005, 04:35 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 01-24-2005, 04:39 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 hands like this tempt me to play 5/10...


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Old 01-24-2005, 04:40 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 01-24-2005, 04:44 AM #5 (permalink)  
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The same applies to Party on the right table. Hell anywhere for that matter. Sure... I'll complete with junk if everyone else wants to see it too.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3, 8. UTG posts a blind of $2. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (9 SB) A, 8, 6 (9 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 3 (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, UTG+2 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in blue below:
Hero has 3s 8h (two pair, eights and threes).
MP2 has Ah Qh (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 13 BB.
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Old 01-24-2005, 04:48 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 fold preflop, you need suited to play this hand.

post flop everything is fine. although you should 3 bet the turn or raise the river, especially if you know he has the ace....


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Fold pre-flop with 9 people seeing it? I'll complete with anything in that situation, suited or not.
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Old 01-24-2005, 05:51 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 Fnord and I argued this earlier, its still not worth it. My argument was with 10 players seeing the flop, any hand is profitable from the SB.


http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...t=blind+suited

Man...i've gone a long way since then...

Either way, you need suited cards to really be profitable from the small blind. Follow SSH's SB starting category.


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Old 01-24-2005, 01:29 PM #9 (permalink)  
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ejeff, I read this thread as well as the thread of the link you posted. A lot of the talk if about suited cards. I understand the advantage being suited has. My question is, what offsuit cards can be protitable when played from the small blind. Can I play any two broadway cards if it is not raised, or is that too loose?
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ejeff, I read this thread as well as the thread of the link you posted. A lot of the talk if about suited cards. I understand the advantage being suited has. My question is, what offsuit cards can be protitable when played from the small blind. Can I play any two broadway cards if it is not raised, or is that too loose?
Yep, you're right.

you need two of three things to play normally:

suited
connected
high card strength

really you only 1 of those to play in the small blind.


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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
really you only 1 of those to play in the small blind.
I'll disagree.

It depends on...

What is the blind structure? For example you're forced to complete more often in the Party 15/30 game than the 3/6 game.

How many limpers? As the number of people in the pot increase your implied odds go up as does the value of being somewhat connected or suited since it will often take a stronger hand to win.

What is the game texture? Can you expect lots of silly calls to pay off your draw + hit?

For the record, I think any 2 suited is too loose for the small blind in a typical Party 2/4 or 3/6 game.
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Old 01-24-2005, 02:16 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I should have been more specifice. I was talking about completing the SB aginst many limpers in an unraised pot. Can I play things as poor as as QTo and JTo here?
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yes, QTo and JTo are fine in an unraised pot.
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Old 01-24-2005, 03:40 PM #14 (permalink)  
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really you only 1 of those to play in the small blind.
I'll disagree.

It depends on...

What is the blind structure? For example you're forced to complete more often in the Party 15/30 game than the 3/6 game.

How many limpers? As the number of people in the pot increase your implied odds go up as does the value of being somewhat connected or suited since it will often take a stronger hand to win.

What is the game texture? Can you expect lots of silly calls to pay off your draw + hit?

For the record, I think any 2 suited is too loose for the small blind in a typical Party 2/4 or 3/6 game.
The only thing we really disagree then is the any two suited part. I dont usually play offsuited connectors unless i'm looking at a nice field. And I also don't play Axo in the SB unless the field is limited (3 people or less), reverse thinking there....less people in pot makes Axo better hand. More people in pot makes connectors better.

I think you are missing out though on a lot of bets for the SB if you don't play two suited. It would be interesting to go through your database and filter out the SB hands that were suited for just one bet and see what your EV was if you had played them all. I think as long as there are 3 callers already before the BB any two suited is an easy call. HU you are blind stealing and if it folds around you are probably at the wrong table anyway.


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What is the blind structure? For example you're forced to complete more often in the Party 15/30 game than the 3/6 game.
This is a major thing I am interested in....

Blinds at 3/6 are 1/3

Blinds at 5/10 are 2/5

blinds at 15/30 are 10/15?


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Old 01-25-2005, 08:48 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Jeff, BTW About this hand..




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