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ihategnomes
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02-25-2005, 05:32 AM
Post subject: Overs on flop
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Full House
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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is UTG with K , A .
Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB calls, BB calls.
Flop: (8 SB) 7, 5 , 5 (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.
Turn: (6 BB) A (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, MP1 calls, SB 3-bets, BB folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls.
River: (16 BB) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks.
Final Pot: 16 BB
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Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
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Yeldud
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I will guess busted flush draw or trips for SB - but they did not bet the river so I am not thinking trips.
Why did you not bet on the River?
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If you put all your faith in the river, you are up shit's creek
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ihategnomes
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Because I put him on a 5 after the turn, I figured he was check-raising the river. He very well could have had AJ or AQ. When the river came, a voice said just check.
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Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
<Bbickes> i still wanna know if the thing in your avatar is a real chick or not
<Bbickes> or am i e-crushing a dude
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gabe
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raise the flop and see if you can get a free card on the turn. if he 3 bets you on the flop, then you can be pretty sure has has a five
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Originally Posted by gabe
raise the flop and see if you can get a free card on the turn. if he 3 bets you on the flop, then you can be pretty sure has has a five
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he's UTG
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gabe
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Originally Posted by hypermegachi
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Originally Posted by gabe
raise the flop and see if you can get a free card on the turn. if he 3 bets you on the flop, then you can be pretty sure has has a five
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he's UTG |
There is only one person behind him.
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by hypermegachi
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Originally Posted by gabe
raise the flop and see if you can get a free card on the turn. if he 3 bets you on the flop, then you can be pretty sure has has a five
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he's UTG |
There is only one person behind him. |
i have been pwnt.
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Fnord
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Bet the river at that level. Only if I know the SB is a thinking/tricky player aware I value bet with impunity, will I consider checking behind. Also, with the extra player in (who may call with god knows what), you're gettting really good value.
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stevedonel
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You raised preflop, virtually every player would check-raise that flop with a five. Most people dont slowplay past the turn, especially at lower limits. YHIG
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Is that guy still part of the forum??
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ihategnomes
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He had 56o 
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Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
<Bbickes> i still wanna know if the thing in your avatar is a real chick or not
<Bbickes> or am i e-crushing a dude
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ChezJ
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Originally Posted by stevedonel
You raised preflop, virtually every player would check-raise that flop with a five. Most people dont slowplay past the turn, especially at lower limits. YHIG
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steve i totally disagree. fish don't pay any attention to who rpf'd or how that could help them grow the pot. they just bet their hands regardless of position or situation.
ChezJ
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by ChezJ
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Originally Posted by stevedonel
You raised preflop, virtually every player would check-raise that flop with a five. Most people dont slowplay past the turn, especially at lower limits. YHIG
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steve i totally disagree. fish don't pay any attention to who rpf'd or how that could help them grow the pot. they just bet their hands regardless of position or situation. |
*knocks both heads together*
Fish do all kinds of stupid stuff in an attempt to be tricky. Although the de-facto "I have a hand" play is to call the flop and (check)raise the turn.
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ArcticKnight
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by ChezJ
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Originally Posted by stevedonel
You raised preflop, virtually every player would check-raise that flop with a five. Most people dont slowplay past the turn, especially at lower limits. YHIG
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steve i totally disagree. fish don't pay any attention to who rpf'd or how that could help them grow the pot. they just bet their hands regardless of position or situation. |
*knocks both heads together*
Fish do all kinds of stupid stuff in an attempt to be tricky. Although the de-facto "I have a hand" play is to call the flop and (check)raise the turn. |
I agree with Fnord on the fish part. We have to remember that fish are not stupid (necessariliy) Rather, they are ignorant of their weaknesses.
I have noted many fish who will chase AK to the river ALWAYS, call you down with middle pair, limp in UTG with 57s, call a 3 bet with 45s, check when they hit their flush draw on the river and bet when they miss, etc...
Yet, some of these same fish know how to play many winning hands. We think it's tricky because they are fish, but most of the time it's just good play that looks tricky because a fish did it (did that make sense?)
Early on I made the assumption that all fish were awlays stupid in all situations. Really, they just have more gaps than the good players, and the gaps are more transparent. It doesn't mean they don't know how to make good player look bad when they hit a good hand.
We'd be wise to think of players as having "fishy tendencies", as opposed to being "fish."
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