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Overplaying a rough 8. (2-7 triple draw.)

  
 
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Old 04-26-2009, 03:25 AM     Post subject: Overplaying a rough 8. (2-7 triple draw.) #1 (permalink)  
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I went for a check-raise going into the last draw knowing he was betting 100% of the time, and thinking my made 8 was a big favorite over his hand. The problem is that it kind of overrepresents my hand a bit and leaves me in a weird spot on the last betting round. I can't imagine my bet on the end being profitable. Thoughts?

Dealt to dsaxton [2s 7s 7d 4s 7h]
allinstevie: folds
dsaxton: raises $4 to $8
homecominkid: raises $4 to $12
DamonAlbarn: folds
fenster71: folds
sgloon: folds
dsaxton: calls $4
*** FIRST DRAW ***
dsaxton: discards 2 cards [7d 7h]
Dealt to dsaxton [2s 7s 4s] [9s Tc]
homecominkid: discards 1 card
dsaxton: checks
homecominkid: bets $4
dsaxton: calls $4
*** SECOND DRAW ***
dsaxton: discards 2 cards [9s Tc]
Dealt to dsaxton [2s 7s 4s] [8c 6s]
homecominkid: discards 1 card
dsaxton: checks
homecominkid: bets $8
dsaxton: raises $8 to $16
homecominkid: calls $8
*** THIRD DRAW ***
dsaxton: stands pat on [2s 7s 4s 8c 6s]
homecominkid: discards 1 card
dsaxton: bets $8
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Old 04-26-2009, 07:50 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 First draw - you have to discard the 7s, you left yourself with 3 spades.

I think that with 3 bet preflop and 1 discard he is drawing to either 8 or 7, and he is not folding to your bet. It makes sense to assume he is betting 100% of the time, he calls 100% of the time if he did not improve and reraises if he has 7 or strong 8.
I think you are the favorite on the 2nd draw so I can see the reason for check-raise - if he 3 bets you here do you draw one or do you call it down ?

I think that your bet after the final draw is bad - he is probably not calling you with 9 and will raise you with a made hand, I would check-call


 
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Old 04-26-2009, 12:31 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 The pre-flop raise is a little frisky in ep, isn't it? I don't mind it as a stealing hand, but raising in ep then drawing 2 makes you look as vulnerable as you are.

I'd c/c the end as well, for the reasons TLR mentioned.
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Old 05-01-2009, 01:49 PM #4 (permalink)  
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The pre-flop raise is a little frisky in ep, isn't it? I don't mind it as a stealing hand, but raising in ep then drawing 2 makes you look as vulnerable as you are.
247 is the only 2draw that is profitable to cap pre-draw, even more so with 2 other 7s in your hand.

As for the hand, i would open bet and see how he reacts, if he raises then u probably have to draw to win and if he flats then pat and check call the end. this is because we cost ourself 1 less bet for the same information.

Although this depends alot on reads, if he tends to raise while he has a hand regardless or whether he pats weak and overplays it.
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:55 PM #5 (permalink)  
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In 6-max, I tend to raise a reasonably wide range before the first draw, and so far haven't been punished for it too much. With 3 cards to a wheel and my pair cards semi-dead, this seems like a clear open-raise regardless of position.

I probably should've just check-called after the last draw here.
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Old 05-02-2009, 08:04 AM #6 (permalink)  
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last draw is check call 100% he is only drawing to beat u and will call only hands that beat u and then u are most likely going to get reraised and that would suck cos u just cost urself 2 bets instead of 1.
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Old 05-02-2009, 05:57 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 I don't like check-call unless I have a read, I'd rather bet/fold or c/f. I don't play much 2-7 anymore but I always laughed went ppl took this line then c/c'ed (i.e. never c/f'ed) it's just so easily exploitable.
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I don't like check-call unless I have a read, I'd rather bet/fold or c/f. I don't play much 2-7 anymore but I always laughed went ppl took this line then c/c'ed (i.e. never c/f'ed) it's just so easily exploitable.
can you elaborate why check call is exploitable and bet fold isnt, i fail to see the logic here.

check call you see the showdown whatever, more info... aka u cant get bluffed (not exploitable) and the amount of times people will bet air into you after u check an 8 is unbelievable.

bet fold, once they get this read on you after playing there 7 draws then that itself is exploitable.

i realise i just answered my own question but thats my view, and urs would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 05-03-2009, 06:52 AM #9 (permalink)  
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You check because you're probably not a favorite when he calls, and you call a bet because of big odds with what often figures to be good against an unknown player with unknown bluffing frequencies.

In general, I think arguments about "exploitability" when playing a complete unknown that you may never again are silly for obvious reasons. Besides, if you're worried about metagame, then I think the ability to see his hand when he bets outweighs any other consideration. Also, the exploitative strategy for this guy here would be to never bluff, which will hardly cost you any money over the long term if you're always check-calling. However, if you check-fold, you're opening yourself up to making big blunders and it'll quickly become correct for him to start bluffing again, once again making check-call the right play.

Bet-fold can't be right unless the guy is a huge station.
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Old 05-03-2009, 02:43 PM #10 (permalink)  
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bet fold on the end makes me want to gauge my eyes out with a fork.
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bet fold on the end makes me want to gauge my eyes out with a fork.
That's pretty intense.
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 Pot is too big to fold on the river


 
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Old 05-06-2009, 12:18 AM #13 (permalink)  
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btw where do you play that is 4/8 ... ps is only 3/6 then 5/10
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 You can play it 4/8 as part of 8 game


 
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You can play it 4/8 as part of 8 game
ah true dat

td in 8 game is soft as a babies bottom
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:48 AM #16 (permalink)  
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You can play it 4/8 as part of 8 game
ah true dat

td in 8 game is soft as a babies bottom
Yeah, most of the 8 games are soft as a baby's bottom.
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