Overplaying QQ?

Welcome to FTR Bullet Tooth. I am no expert but have been playing more and more 6 max recently. Here is what I would have done. Hopefully the regulars will then correct both our mistakes.

Hand 1 -> I would 3 bet the flop, simply for value. When the action gets back to you there are already 15 sb in the pot. So gutshot draws already will get at least 9/1 to call on the turn. On the turn I would fold to the raise. SB who is very passive suddenly check raises and you have 2 people still to act behind you. Don't think top pair is good here often enough to justify a call.

Hand 2 -> This is tough without a good read. If he tends to be over aggresive defending his BB then I may just let him bet and call down on each street. If I give him credit for having a premium hand pf then I think I can find a fold somewhere.

Hand 3 -> seems ok. (as long as you can fold to a raise on the river)

Originally Posted by Bullet Tooth

I play off 25/15/3.5 .
I think my main problem is being over aggressive from the turn and not laying down when perhaps I ought to.

Hand 1 - New at the table so no solid reads - SB 54/0/0.3 (25 Hands). CO 56/6/3.7 (20 hands)
Limit: $2/$4
6 players
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New at the table so no solid reads Villian is SB 54/0/0.3 (20 Hands).

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with [Qd] [Qc]
2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: [9s] [6h] [Js] (8SB, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.
I did't re raise here thinking of pot management A flush draw isn't going anywhere and would not be making a mistake in calling. Right / Wrong?
Turn: [5c] (8BB, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.
I am happy with the bet to protect my hand but is the 3 bet spewing? Anyone folding here to the CR? Yes, I fold to the c/r there, I certainly never would 3bet it. I do not understand the stop-n-go. If you have an edge on the flop you should probably push it. You know you cannot c/r the CO turn bet and force any folds.
River: [As] (20BB, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Results:
Final pot: 20BB
SB shows 7d 8s

Hand 2 - No solid read but villian looks TAG'ish. Maybe I should have known better

Limit: $2/$4
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with [Qd] [Qs]
UTG folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, CO folds, Hero caps, BB calls.

Flop: [6s] [2h] [Ac] (9.5SB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.
Hmm, maybe I should be throwing this away, but heads up I find it hard Once you get 3bet you can fold. Some players would just fold the flop but I would raise here and definitely fold to the 3bet.
Turn: [Js] (7.75BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: [Kh] (9.75BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 11.75BB
BB shows Ks Kc

Hand 3 - Vilian is 50/1.2/0.7.
Too fiesty?
Limit: $2/$4
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with [Qh] [Qc]
2 folds, CO calls, Button calls,Hero raises, BB folds, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: [7s] [9c] [8h]
Hero Bets, CO calls, Button Calls.

Turn: [Ks]
Hero bets, CO calls, Button folds
Anyone check this turn? Do you call if he bets?

River: [Jh]
Hero bets, CO folds.
Too fiesty to bet here? Fairly sure villian won't bet this without a T or K, but he is the sort who would probably call with a weak hand he would raise with the Str8 or 2 pair though.
I check the river hoping to induce a bluff or a bad value bet from a J or 9. Bet/folding would not be too bad either as it wouldn't let a jack check behind. Actually, I like b/f the river the best if villian is pretty passive postflop.
Comments welcome. Thanks

My comments are in bold there. Welcome to FTR and keep on posting. If you didn't notice Im pretty surprised by your 3.5AF but that could just stem from you shots at the more aggressive 5/10 game.

Thanks for the welcome and comments guys. Yeah, I think I am going to focus on my post flop aggression. It's just not working for me. I am continually stunned by the trash that some people peel a flop with.

I will post up some examples or my post flop play for comments. Thanks again.

Hand 1, 3-bet the flop for value. Only a K and A can come to beat you if you are ahead. Although a good draw does not make a mistake by calling, this does not mean you don't still gain value from their call. On the turn, spenda's recommendation of folding to the check-raise is way too weak. This could still just be TPTK or worse which you have beat. The turn 3-bet is not necessarily bad depending on reads. I would never say this is spewage, and with proper reads, I would say excellent value bet. On the river, it is very hard to find a value bet when an A falls 4-way. I have no problem with the check.

Hand 2, you can't fold on the flop ... you are getting over 20:1 odds !! Very well played. There is nowhere here where a good player can find a fold.

Hand 3, well played. If they are calling the flop with an overcard K, so be it, I still bet the turn. With a read, I may fold to a turn raise. Checking the river to induce a bluff is nowhere near as good as just betting out for value. Almost every hand that beats you would have raised you on the turn. So bet the river. More likely some crap calls you than they bet as a bluff. Very few hands would fold to your bluff but would bluff at you if you check on the river. This is a situation where you must bet because all in all, if you don't bet, you are allowing hands that beat you to bet, and hands that don't to show down for free. If you bet, you get many hands in between these two to call, that you wouldn't get a bet from otherwise.

Xan, what in the world (I know you said TP) are we really beating in hand 1? The line doesn't just scream 78 to you?

You are getting nowhere near 20:1 on the flop in hand 2. Its more like 15:1 which would be about ehhh to call with a 2 outer. Calling the flop makes calling the turn easier, etc etc etc... What do you really expect to beat on the river?

Xan, you seem to be calling down more than I am in these spots. Probably stems from the fact that I was going to showdown too much. Im now trying to find spots to fold which may be faulty logic but it has been improving my stats.

I miscounted the pot on hand 2 for some reason. It is still a call. If you are going to fold to a 3-bet, you've got 2 choices. Become a calling station, and don't raise in the first place, or get out some paint and a mirror and start working on that target on your forehead.

It's not quite as bad as I said last post. In the proper situations this fold can be ok, especially at a short handed table where there are less people to keep track of for reads, and less people who can shoot at you when you put up a target like this. But in general, if it is a close call (and this one is ... even if you are sure you are behind, and it isn't to a set, you just about have implied odds on the call) don't fold for one bet after raising. It practically screams at the other players to play back at you because you can be pushed off a hand or will bluff and give up easy. I would rather see you call the flop 3-bet and fold the turn unimproved.