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Old 07-16-2008, 04:38 PM     Post subject: Overcards #1 (permalink)  
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Let me first preface that I'm playing on Party between 15c-30c and 25c-50c and was wondering how people play overcards after raising pre.

Position doesn't seem to be important to the villains I'm facing, neither does previous action. If someone is going to raise, they'll 3-bet/4-bet if it's raised before it gets to them. Slowplaying is extremely common here, and I have to be able to beat top-two if I get raised or check-raised post-flop.

My question is, after raising pre with broadways and missing the flop, what do I do? Should I be looking to check-call down since C-Betting really doesn't seem to mean much against those I'm playing against. I still think a lot in No Limit terms so I've noticed that I can get myself into bad situations because I'm over-pushing my hands. When I raise with big cards, am I looking to hit my flush-draw/TPTK and release if I miss or? Should I be playing small Limit games to the turn if I have the nuts/nut draws? If it's this tight, is there any point beyond 50c-$1 where it's safe to open up a little more?
 
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Old 07-16-2008, 05:34 PM #2 (permalink)  
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wow, a lot of questions there...

First things to look at when talking about overs is: how many villains are in the pot with you, the texture of the flop, your position, your draws.
If heads up, on an innocuous board, c-betting if u were the PF aggressor and are oop is usually not a bad idea, even in those low stakes where u dont expect villain to fold too often.
U wanna keep the initiative, and if your hand is worth a call, then u might as well bet it. You won't get a tremendous amount of folds, but u'll get some, and u wont get into too much trouble on the first betting round while keeping the initiative.
If you are in position, then u can consider whether to take the free card or bet. Usually u should tend to bet your better draws (more outs) and check your worse draws (less outs).
Looking at the board, you should know that some hands are pretty worthless on certain flops, and others are worth going to war with.
2 overs w AKs on a QT3 board (2 of your suit) is a tremendous hand and u should bet it like a monster
2 overs w QJs on a T77 board (1 of your suit) is a marginal hand and u should be weary of putting many bets in
2 overs w KJo on a 876 board is pretty much worthless

Considering all this, u have to take into account pot odds and reads. Is the pot big enough for u to stay with a marginal draw? Is villain prone to c/raising? Will you get a free card on the turn if u bet the flop? free showdown if you bet the turn? Does villain play straightforward poker or does he get tricky? Does he play funky hands? Did that flop help him?
Is it worth it to bluff considering pot odds and villains tendencies?

Really really tricky, all this...

Still, with experience u will get some sense of certain situations/villains where u have to bet, others where u will c/c one bet, and others where u may just c/f

U should for example tend to c/c all the way an UI AK on a non scary board against the most aggro/bluffy villains, but tend to give up on turn if villain is passive but shows strength.

Ok, now for multiway action.
In position, against several villains, you should tend to take the free card with your weaker overs and totally give up on turn if UI, cause Ahigh wont cut it. Bet and try to build a pot with your best draws (especially those to the nuts -nutFD and nutS8-). In the middle of all this are a lot of greyish hands were you'll have to consider wether to play aggressively trying to clean outs, call if getting good odds and closing action, or give up right away.
OOP, you should check most of your hands (except those monster draws) and reconsider once the action gets back to u. Are u closing the action? What are the pot odds? How many possible outs u got?

Well, long post already, i'll let someone else give some more feedback, hope all this helps a bit, but consider this one of the trickiest parts of LHE.
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Old 07-22-2008, 03:59 AM #3 (permalink)  
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focus on overcard situations and post some over your next 1k hands. that will probably help the most.

and, good to see you made it over here, andrew.
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Old 12-18-2008, 08:18 AM #4 (permalink)  
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bumpin this up since it comes back again and again

ah, gotta love playing overcards
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Old 12-18-2008, 09:05 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Not quite on topic i know but one of the sweetest adjustments I made was folding overcards in big pots on the flop. Why?

1) Some boards just encourage callers. E.g., 984 with two spades. You've raise UTG with AK and get called in two places on the flop. Ok now you really need an A or K. And if you hit one on the turn and get raised you're in trouble. Just check that baby behind against most players.

2) Because if you raise and it's a 3 or 4-bet pot that often means your AT, AJ, KQ or whatever is dominated. Putting in bets on the flop with 0-3 outs is not good...

2a) Hitting your pair on the turn is not always a good thing. e.g., you raise UTG with KQ. It's 3 and 4 bet back to you. The flop is 962. They bet, you call. The turn is Q. Yummy? not really. If there's any action it probably means they have AQ, KK, AA. So you're putting in even MORE bets with a really weak hand. By the river you're wishing you'd just folded the flop.

3) You're in the BB with JTs. It's raised and cold called behind you. The flop is again 962. They bet and you call. How confident can you really be in a J or T? It's so probable someone either has a better Jx or Tx or QQ-AA that calling teh flop c-bet, although I know it's tempting in a big pot, is often just handing out chips. You might hit that J or T on the turn and lose even more. Or the turn may be a blank and you might fell compelled to call another bet with your 'six' outs. Just cough-fold (it's not a puke-fold because you never expected to win anyways).
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Old 12-19-2008, 05:41 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Not quite on topic i know but one of the sweetest adjustments I made was folding overcards in big pots on the flop. Why?

1) Some boards just encourage callers. E.g., 984 with two spades. You've raise UTG with AK and get called in two places on the flop. Ok now you really need an A or K. And if you hit one on the turn and get raised you're in trouble. Just check that baby behind against most players.

2) Because if you raise and it's a 3 or 4-bet pot that often means your AT, AJ, KQ or whatever is dominated. Putting in bets on the flop with 0-3 outs is not good...

2a) Hitting your pair on the turn is not always a good thing. e.g., you raise UTG with KQ. It's 3 and 4 bet back to you. The flop is 962. They bet, you call. The turn is Q. Yummy? not really. If there's any action it probably means they have AQ, KK, AA. So you're putting in even MORE bets with a really weak hand. By the river you're wishing you'd just folded the flop.

3) You're in the BB with JTs. It's raised and cold called behind you. The flop is again 962. They bet and you call. How confident can you really be in a J or T? It's so probable someone either has a better Jx or Tx or QQ-AA that calling teh flop c-bet, although I know it's tempting in a big pot, is often just handing out chips. You might hit that J or T on the turn and lose even more. Or the turn may be a blank and you might fell compelled to call another bet with your 'six' outs. Just cough-fold (it's not a puke-fold because you never expected to win anyways).
Well said, I believe HU on the flop is totally different as multiway.

That being said, multiway closing the action for one SB i'll tend to peel but be veeeeeeery weary of going nuts if i hit
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