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Old 10-11-2005, 10:29 AM     Post subject: Out of line #1 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3, 3.
Hero calls, 7 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) 9, 8, 7 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 6 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB folds.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB


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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, 5.
UTG calls, 3 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 7, 4, 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, Button calls.

Turn: (2.75 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button folds.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB


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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 4.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) Q, 5, 6 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (3 BB) J (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 4 BB


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Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, J.
3 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 8, 7, 8 (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 5 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB


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Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 8.
2 folds, MP2 raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero caps, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 2, 7, K (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 6 (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB
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Old 10-11-2005, 05:02 PM #2 (permalink)  
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7-9 handed.. 2 in position and the other 3 in the BB...just looks like a LAGG plain and simple...if you are forced to show down the 3/3 and 4/5...i think things are different from there on...however according to the thread name "out of line" i think you played the hands fine for the spots you were put in...
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Old 10-11-2005, 06:19 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: No f'n way I'm limping UTG in that game. "Please isolate me!". The pot is microscopic, I just let the BB have it, consider that by the river you're screwed and spewing chips here just isn't worth it.

Hand 2: Turn is kinda cute.

Hand 3: *chuckle* I usually raise the flop and bet the turn in this spot.

Hand 4: WTF are you doing pre-flop in this game? Why whould you play-back at a guy repping AQ+/TT+

Hand 5: Meh. I like a 3-bet better than a cap.
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Old 10-11-2005, 06:37 PM #4 (permalink)  
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oh so thats what you do when you post hands like this...explain what you woulda done... (note taken)
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Old 10-11-2005, 07:39 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 H1: fold preflop, nasty .

H2: you're better off just keep betting instead of raising (unless you think he'll autoraise you), but if thats the case he'll probably showdown with Ace high anyway.

H3: I go with fnord's line of raising the flop (i've seen a donk bet work too).

H4: Has got to be one of the worst hands I've seen play in some time. You might as well bet this river because you can win by checking.

H5: Just call the 3-bet and try and make your move on a safe flop. You made the pot too big for anyone to correctly fold with any pair.


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Old 10-11-2005, 11:48 PM #6 (permalink)  
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1) I don't know how I limped here. Not my style at all.
2/3) I have been getting cute with my blinds lately... seems to be working.
4) I like my cold call v MP2, as his raising range was huge (17%) The turn raise was spewage. I had a double gutshot, so had odds to just call. I don't bet the river, since his 3 bet/check looked like an overpair. with a standard check/call river line.
5) I should have 3 bet preflop, but again got too cute. I was planning to checkraise most flops. MP2's range was 2 cards, BB's 3 bet meant something like 2 face cards or a pp, so I thought I had him beat. MP2 calling me down is the only reason I didn't bet the river. BB shows 55, MP2 shows JJ :/
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Hand 4: WTF are you doing pre-flop in this game? Why whould you play-back at a guy repping AQ+/TT+
Assuming he only has AQs+, AKo, or TT-AA, will call with any of the pairs and fold overcards, My line is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

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H4: Has got to be one of the worst hands I've seen play in some time. You might as well bet this river because you can win by checking.
Had he called the turn, I would bet any river card that wasn't an A.
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Had he called the turn, I would bet any river card that wasn't an A.
The only problem is, when you get yourself into these situations, the only way you can win this pot is by betting. If he checkraises you you can save yourself some pride by not showing down that hand. No way is your Jack high good in this situation, and, the pot is big enough in this situation to at least try and bluff him out. He only has to fold 8% of the time to make this bet profitable. In other words, you can't "bluff call."


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Old 10-12-2005, 04:32 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Had he called the turn, I would bet any river card that wasn't an A.
The only problem is, when you get yourself into these situations, the only way you can win this pot is by betting. If he checkraises you you can save yourself some pride by not showing down that hand. No way is your Jack high good in this situation, and, the pot is big enough in this situation to at least try and bluff him out. He only has to fold 8% of the time to make this bet profitable. In other words, you can't "bluff call."
I don't think he ever folds the river after 3 betting the turn. Maybe if I pulled a Barron and capped?!
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Old 10-12-2005, 04:50 AM #10 (permalink)  
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this is down right silly
take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
 
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Old 10-12-2005, 05:03 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I don't think he ever folds the river after 3 betting the turn. Maybe if I pulled a Barron and capped?!
Whats more likely, him folding or you winning this pot with jack high?


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Whats more likely, him folding or you winning this pot with jack high?
He's got at least a 1 in 1,000,000 shot of winning with Jack high at no cost. +EV.
It's quite possible that bluffing at this works so infrequently that it's -EV.

Expectation != winning pots. If you want to win the most, biggest pots then just mash bet/raise.
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Whats more likely, him folding or you winning this pot with jack high?
He's got at least a 1 in 1,000,000 shot of winning with Jack high at no cost. +EV.
It's quite possible that bluffing at this works so infrequently that it's -EV.

Expectation != winning pots. If you want to win the most, biggest pots then just mash bet/raise.
might point was, there is zero chance he wins by checking behind. He's got 8% chance by betting to win the pot.

BTW, its highly possible two diamonds, the oesd or both 3 bet the turn here.


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Whats more likely, him folding or you winning this pot with jack high?
He's got at least a 1 in 1,000,000 shot of winning with Jack high at no cost. +EV.
It's quite possible that bluffing at this works so infrequently that it's -EV.

Expectation != winning pots. If you want to win the most, biggest pots then just mash bet/raise.
might point was, there is zero chance he wins by checking behind. He's got 8% chance by betting to win the pot.

BTW, its highly possible two diamonds, the oesd or both 3 bet the turn here.
I beat an OESD
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Whats more likely, him folding or you winning this pot with jack high?
He's got at least a 1 in 1,000,000 shot of winning with Jack high at no cost. +EV.
It's quite possible that bluffing at this works so infrequently that it's -EV.

Expectation != winning pots. If you want to win the most, biggest pots then just mash bet/raise.
might point was, there is zero chance he wins by checking behind. He's got 8% chance by betting to win the pot.

BTW, its highly possible two diamonds, the oesd or both 3 bet the turn here.
I beat an OESD
Not all of them, you split with J6 and JT, but lose to Q6, K6, A6, just to mention a few possible holdings.

You've also got folding equity against 55 and the straight. He'll fold here 1/12 times to be profitable.


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On the J9s hand:
On the turn, lets assume you have 4 clean outs(possibly 7 if he holds exactly TT and as many as 13 if he holds 66 - I'll exclude 44-22 since he 3bet preflop). You do not plan on calling a river bet unless you improve. Why put 2 bets in on the turn? This isn't one of those situations where, "I would be calling a river bet anyways so I should raise the turn so when I improve, I'll get an extra bet."
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