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Operation: Increase VPIP and PFR for 6max

  
 
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snowboard_31
Old 11-14-2007, 05:30 AM     Post subject: Operation: Increase VPIP and PFR for 6max #1 (permalink)  
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Alright so currently i run at roughly 16/9/3 which is what i was effectively running at full ring. Yah yah I know I dont have the sample size(3000 hands) but It still gives me an idea of what im running at.

Now that Ive started to run 6 max pretty much exclusively I know I need to loosen up, especially in later position and out of the blinds. Fold BB to steal is 78% and fold SB steal is 95%. When calling out of the blinds, should I be donking? c/r'ing? c/c then b lines?

To loosen my numbers what should I start to include in my range? I read a good post by SHAKE from June that was extremely helpful but id also like any suggestions for a range to open from CO and the button. What should I be doing to donk bets or c/r's on the flop?

Finally, playing 6max i feel c-beting is almost useless as they float with any 2 cards. Should I be double barrelling more often? As far as 3 barreling? I know my image also plays a role, some fish will call down lighter against a looser image. Sorry i know theres a ton of questions but I want to learn as much as possible.
1. Get a seat to their right
2. Steal blinds at will
3. ...
4. Profit
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:07 PM     Post subject: Re: Operation: Increase VPIP and PFR for 6max #2 (permalink)  
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Ok, well here's my two cents for what they are worth (probably about two cents).

First, playing out of the blinds. People will be raising light from CO and Btn, so folding 78% and 95% is way too high. Between 40-60% and 75-85% is more like it. I almost never donk out on the flop unless opponent will always check the flop if he misses. Most guys will c-bet every flop and if i have ANY piece of the flop (or have a pocket pair) I will c/r and lead the turn, though occasionally i will c/f a small pair on an Ace flop if the raiser is tight.

Of course you need to use common sense with this approach. I.e, if the raiser is UTG and the flop is KQJ, don't c/r with 22, e.g., but if the flop is K74 I would go ahead and c/r 22.

Second, my open raise range is about 15% UTG, 22% UTG+1, 30% CO and 40% btn. However, it's important to adjust these ranges based on who's behind you. For example, if a guy never folds his blinds, steal less, and the opposite if he folds too much.

15% of hands from UTG is about A9, KQ, A7s, K9s, QJs, JTs, 98s, 55+

22% from UTG+1 is the above plus A7, KJ, A4s, K7s, QTs, 87s, 33+

30% of hands from CO is the above plus A5, K9, QT, JT, A2s, K7s, Q9s, J9s, T9s, 97s, 87s, 33+.

40% from the btn is the above plus A3, Q9, J9, T9, 98, K2s,Q5s, J7s, T8s, 22.

If it's HU, I always c-bet the flop even if I whiff horribly. You're getting 5:1 on the bet and even the fishiest players will usually fold more than that. Donkbets usually mean strength so if I have TP or better I probably call with the intention of raising the turn, MP i usually call down, and play draws/overcards as usual -raise if I think I can get a free card, otherwise call and fold the turn UI (usually).

A c/r on the flop after you've raised preflop is usually an indication of a strong hand, but you'll be getting 6:1 to peel so usually worth doing if you have overcards.

I will always auto-c-bet HU and almost alwaysagainst two opponents, less against three or more. Double-barrelling against one opponent i think is fine, but if you are against two or more, I usually give up if they both call the flop and i still don't have anything on the turn. Three-barrelling without a made hand is silly no matter what imo - just check behind and hope he has a busted draw.
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:02 PM #3 (permalink)  
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only 150 hands under my belt since trying to increase and so far numbers in the super tiny sample size have gone to 19/11/2.5

Small increases but still progress, the hardest part i find in incorporating increasing my raising range occurs with Axo and Axs after 1 or more limpers or 1 or more raisers. The second case occurs with broadways to UTG or UTG+1 raises. I feel im playing too tight and folding these.
1. Get a seat to their right
2. Steal blinds at will
3. ...
4. Profit
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:34 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Small increases but still progress, the hardest part i find in incorporating increasing my raising range occurs with Axo and Axs after 1 or more limpers or 1 or more raisers. The second case occurs with broadways to UTG or UTG+1 raises. I feel im playing too tight and folding these.
My general advice (and others might have different views):

Raise any hand you would otherwise open-raise when one person limps ahead. Two limpers raise suited connectors QJs+, or TT+, otherwise overlimp with any hand in your open-raising range. Some people might like to raise AK, AQ to two limpers which i think is fine as well.

I tend to give a lot of respect to UTG and UTG+1 raisers. I would re-raise with AQ+, 99+, and cold call with KQs. Sometimes I 3bet AJs and sometimes cold call depending on who the original raiser is. Otherwise i will just fold unless they are loose raisers, in which case I would broaden my 3betting range.
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