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rubixstreub
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07-12-2005, 09:22 PM
Post subject: Online vs. Casinos in Limit Ring Games
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Full House
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I recently saw in a post someone equating the .5/1 limit cash games to the 2/4 game in a casino. Would the community agree that that's an accurate translation of skill- i.e. you'll get the same kind of players in both those games even though the betting values are different?
I only play online, so I'm not sure if this translates to what typical casinos run, but hopefully you get the idea. How would you draw comparisons?
Online ---- Casino?
.25/.5 1/2 (doesn't exist?)
.5/1 2/4
1/2 4/8
2/4 ???
3/6 ???
5/10 ???
At what level does basic low-limit strategy stop working online? What kinds of signs should tell a player he's ready to move up to higher stakes?
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It all depends on what the lowest level that is offered at a particular casino. I've seen some joints that don't spread less than 5/10 and its plays worse than .5/1 on party.
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-jay
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jmontis
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Full House
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the casino cruise ship by my city, they only offer 2-5 NL, and 5-10 and 10-20 limit, If I had the roll I would be living there.....
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outphase
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Full House
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lowest limit = .50/1 from what I've noticed. I began to play at the 2nd lowest because the line was so long for the lowest and I noticed a HUGE gap in terms of play. Flops were not family caps and people weren't calling down on bottom pair spiking 2 pr or trips on the river
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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Fnord
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Consider at the local cardroom here 4/8 is a great game, at 6/12 players start to try, 8/16 is soft but most players are trying, 12/24 is the "big game" and I haven't bothered to waitlist it.
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rubixstreub
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Full House
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Sorry, I guess I didn't make it clear but I'm more concerned with ability levels in the online games, not casinos.
Basically if you read any low limit poker literature they'll define low limit as the 2/4, 3/6, and really not much higher than 4/8. But if you tried to take low limit strategy into those rooms online you'd lose a fortune...
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Consider at the local cardroom here 4/8 is a great game, at 6/12 players start to try, 8/16 is soft but most players are trying, 12/24 is the "big game" and I haven't bothered to waitlist it.
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How would you use this classifcation for the online game? And I'd also be interested in what signs tell a person they're playing below their level- if you can do such a thing online?
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outphase
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I currently play at the party/empire 2/4 rooms and those fit in with SSH quite nicely. Haven't had a go at 3/6 full ring yet because 1. i'm not bankrolled 2. i'm comfortable at 2/4. My B&M 5/10 is similar but a little more loose than the online 2/4. The books refer to casino limits only, so usually divide by 4-5 and you usually might get a decent estimator.
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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rubixstreub
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Full House
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SSH? B&M? Sorry not familiar with the Jargon... 
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outphase
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Full House
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hehe whooops, sorry about that.
SSH = Small Stakes Hold'em by Ed Miller, David Sklansky and Mason Malmuth
B&M = Brick & mortar, a real live place like Wal-mart is a B&M store
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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Fnord
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Also consider that B&M has a higher rake. I'd say a typical 8/16 game here is as tough as Party 2/4 or maybe 3/6, but with the higher rake...
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koolmoe
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Also consider that B&M has a higher rake. I'd say a typical 8/16 game here is as tough as Party 2/4 or maybe 3/6, but with the higher rake...
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8/16 should be less rake on a percentage basis than 2/4, shouldn't it? At least where I play, rake is capped at $4. In the $10/20 game, average pots were 8BB or so...8*16= 128 and 4/128 = 3.1%. In 2/4 online, rake 5%, capped at $3, but the pot has to be more than $60 = 15BB for the rake to be less than 5%.
The last $10/$20 game I played in live featured a player to my left in a Pokerstars shirt raising 42s and a player to my right calling down with any piece of the board. EZ MON-E!
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Poker is freedom
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Fnord
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10% to $3 rake, $1 Jackpot drop, $1 tip.
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outphase
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Full House
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local drop is a bitch... it really is
$5 rake, $1 to the state, $1 tip
BUT there is a nice thing about it... Free Bad Beat Jackpot and if your pocket AA is cracked on Tuesdays in July, you get $100 free
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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