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10-06-2005, 06:18 AM Post subject: one slowplay bites me back, one works.

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Join Date: Feb 2005

Location: california

Posts: 366

Hand 1:

marginal call on flop. 4.5 outs (1.5 outs for each overcard and 1.5 for backdoor straight draw. rest of the hand played as chicken. I put at least one of the opponents on flush. should I have 3 bet the river. i just wanted to get to showdown as cheaply as possible. i thought with 3 other people oin at least 1 has the flush. TOTALLY DISCOUNTED the possiblity that all might be after that straight
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

, J

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, Button calls, SB raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 9

, 6

, 8

(5 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) T

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, Button raises, SB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 7

(4 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, Button raises, SB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Td Ts (straight, ten high).
UTG+1 has Ac 8d (straight, ten high).
Hero has Ad Jh (straight, jack high).
Button has Ks 7s (straight, ten high).
Outcome: Hero wins 23.50 BB.
------------------------------------------------

Hand 2:

this is how slowplay can bite me in the ass. shit. sucks big time.
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

, A

.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) T

, J

, 6

(6 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO raises, Button folds, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) J

(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

River: (14.25 BB) 4

(4 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP2 calls $0.04 (All-In), CO folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 22.27 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Qs As (flush, ace high).
UTG has 6h 6c (full house, sixes full of jacks).
MP2 has 3s 3d (two pair, jacks and threes).
Outcome: UTG wins 22.27 BB.

------------------------------------------------------------

Hand 3:
hit the jackpot on flop. wanted to slowplay but by turn i realised both of them caught a piece of it. glad it got capped each street after flop.
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9

, 9

.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 9

, 4

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 raises, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) A

(3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, UTG raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

River: (19.25 BB) 3

(3 players)
UTG bets, MP1 calls $1 (All-In), Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 27.75 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Ts 4s (three of a kind, fours).
MP1 has Ad 4d (full house, fours full of aces).
Hero has 9d 9c (full house, nines full of fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 27.75 BB.

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10-06-2005, 07:35 AM

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So in fact in every hand you posted it was correct to bet or raise.

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10-06-2005, 12:59 PM

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4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Aug 2004

Location: emo-kid

Posts: 3,580

don't kill yourself on hand 2. a set of 6s are not gonna fold no matter what just to see if they can fill up. although you woulda saved more bets on the turn & river by slowing down to aggression. but seeing what actually happened on the turn action, seems like you woulda lost just as much.

thenonsequitur

10-06-2005, 01:53 PM Post subject: Re: one slowplay bites me back, one works.

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Full House

Join Date: Nov 2004

Location: Location: Location

Posts: 637

Hand 1:

Preflop, any reads on UTG+1 or MP2? If they are loose and passive consider raising (for value, to isolate, and to steal the button). With position, AJ is a good hand against loose preflop limpers.

I fold the turn. Sure, you hit an OESD, but chances are someone else either hit the same draw as you, or hit a flush draw, or already hit a straight or flush. There is already a chance someone even hit two pair. Someone likely has a club, so the 7c and Qc are not really outs anymore, and neither are the Jc or Ac. The two non-club aces left in the deck should also be discounted because the ace may make them two pair if they have a pair/ace or had a draw/ace (e.g. the action makes me think someone might have AT, A9, or A8). In fact all your overcard outs should be discounted because even if you hit one it will be tough to play and you lack information, so it will be easy to make a mistake. I think given the pot size you would normally have a healthy number of outs to just call, but add in the fact that you are not closing action and that UTG+1 called the flop and is now betting the turn, and I don't like the call.

Hand 2:

Flop play looks good. A set or two pair is not folding to a flop 3-bet, so betting will not protect your hand, and you don't want to bet and hurt the turn action or possible flop re-raise by UTG. Turn card makes your hand more vulnerable. Consider a turn raise to buy outs from people with a single pocket T, single pocket 6, and PPs, while at the same time possibly making up some of the lost bets caused by pushing people out because a pocket J will give you action. You're paying off JT, J6, TT, and 66. Too bad someone had one of these--not much you can do about that (except hitting the miracle K

).

Hand 3:

Nice hand.

euphoricism

10-06-2005, 03:15 PM

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4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Mar 2005

Location: Your place or my place

Posts: 3,610

Hand 1) I might find a flop fold, depending on who I'm playing with. Your A is probably no good even if it hits. Definitely fold the turn.

Hand 2) I threebet this flop. Get your money in with the best of it, and calling it says to everyone else, "I'm on the draw", and they'll slow down on the turn. Which they did. Don't be results oriented.

As played, raise the turn and find out where you are. A boat will tell you real quick.

River bad. River really, quite bad.

I think you misplayed just about every street, though the flop call isn't horrid.

Hand 3) Ni han. Probably could have gotten a flop cap, but theres no way you could have known that.

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