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Element187
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05-03-2005, 04:41 AM
Post subject: one more for tonight.
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possible flush out there, some heavy betting, but this table is looser then courtney love at a lilthfaire concert.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter
Preflop: Element187 is MP2 with Q , J .
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Element187 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (7 SB) Q , 8, 2 (7 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Element187 raises, MP3 calls, Button folds, SB folds, UTG calls.
Turn: (7 BB) J (3 players)
UTG checks, Element187 bets, MP3 raises, UTG calls, Element187 calls.
River: (13 BB) J (3 players)
UTG bets, Element187 calls, MP3 calls.
Final Pot: 16 BB
should i have reraised the river and just forget about the overcall ???
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elipsesjeff
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Do you not realize you have a boat? . . . a boat that beats a flush? Hello!!! the only hand that beats you here is QQ and that is highly unlikely!!! Always raise the river with the nuts, the fish will call. Thats what they do.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Do you not realize you have a boat? . . . a boat that beats a flush? Hello!!! the only hand that beats you here is QQ and that is highly unlikely!!! Always raise the river with the nuts, the fish will call. Thats what they do.
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ya i figured it was a bad judgement call by me.. since the player acting after me, showed some strength on the turn, i assumed he would continue if i smooth called the river bet and hoped for his reraise, so i can put in another bet... at the time it seemed like a better play lol
and yes i didnt start playing yesterday, i do know i had a boat that beats the flush, just thinkin by previous hands and how aggressive maniac the player left to act was.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Element187
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Do you not realize you have a boat? . . . a boat that beats a flush? Hello!!! the only hand that beats you here is QQ and that is highly unlikely!!! Always raise the river with the nuts, the fish will call. Thats what they do.
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ya i figured it was a bad judgement call by me.. since the player acting after me, showed some strength on the turn, i assumed he would continue if i smooth called the river bet and hoped for his reraise, so i can put in another bet... at the time it seemed like a better play lol
and yes i didnt start playing yesterday, i do know i had a boat that beats the flush, just thinkin by previous hands and how aggressive maniac the player left to act was. |
It would be different if UTG didn't bet out, but he is obviously repping that flush, its also quite possible UTG will 3 bet you if he has the Ace as he over plays his hand.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Element187
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Do you not realize you have a boat? . . . a boat that beats a flush? Hello!!! the only hand that beats you here is QQ and that is highly unlikely!!! Always raise the river with the nuts, the fish will call. Thats what they do.
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ya i figured it was a bad judgement call by me.. since the player acting after me, showed some strength on the turn, i assumed he would continue if i smooth called the river bet and hoped for his reraise, so i can put in another bet... at the time it seemed like a better play lol
and yes i didnt start playing yesterday, i do know i had a boat that beats the flush, just thinkin by previous hands and how aggressive maniac the player left to act was. |
It would be different if UTG didn't bet out, but he is obviously repping that flush, its also quite possible UTG will 3 bet you if he has the Ace as he over plays his hand. |
wow, thats awesome.. i'll keep it in mind. THX
maybe posting hands will have a positive effect after all.
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rmariani
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Looks like a raise in the river imho...
If you think MP3 will raise, he would probably raise you anyway 
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Fnord
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I would just call the frop and raise a non-crub turn.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I would just call the frop and raise a non-crub turn.
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should raished his frush on river ?
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Grand_MasterB
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This a must raise on the river.
I know you are thinkin about wanting the player after you to call or raise but the way he played out i highly doubt he woudl be raising so with your call you can only get a possible 1 more BB out of him for a total of 2BB on the river.
If you raise however, the player after you may fold or may cold call two bets, but the original better will definaly call one more bet to see what you have. so you will definately get 2BB but may get 4BB
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Element187
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ya i see my error now, when someone shows high aggression, i always interpet as they will continue it on the next round.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I would just call the frop and raise a non-crub turn.
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should raished his frush on river ? |
Someone already covered that. Fuck yeah.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by Element187
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I would just call the frop and raise a non-crub turn.
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should raished his frush on river ? |
Someone already covered that. Fuck yeah. |
ya but i wanted to participate in the "sound like a asian foriegner" too
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honsheung
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I would just call the frop and raise a non-crub turn.
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this make sense to me as well
A rasie in flop give those who are drawing flush good EV .
Not very much like it.
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