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asdpikas

01-12-2009, 08:20 PM Post subject: one exercise, please analyse

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OK, gimme your analysis street by street
Why do i take these lines? Why am i sure to win on the river?

villain is 31/11/2.3 over 350h
wtsd 40
FBB2steal 0
FSB2steal 16

notes on him:

donks any pair
c/calls w gutshots, donks on any improvement

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, 9

6 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold

Flop: (5 SB) 8

, A

, 3

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 3

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls

River: (10.5 BB) 4

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, 1 fold

Total pot: $50 (12.5 BB) | Rake: $2

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DrivingDog

01-12-2009, 08:48 PM Post subject: Re: one exercise, please analyse

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Because he has a club draw and you own him.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

asdpikas

01-13-2009, 06:34 AM

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exactly...

this goes to show the power of a good read on a villain

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Chopper

01-13-2009, 07:03 PM

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because "villain" was ME!

nah. he spewed his draw off and his AF told you he may bluff off draws. he also slapped at the scare card 3 on the turn.

personally, i dont like it. i dont see anything in your "read" that suggests he will get this frisky on a draw. in fact, he "donks cards that help." so, the b/3b on turn is pretty stiff into Qhi +FD.

i call his turn donk with odds and may call a river bet if i think he's that stupid. but, i certainly dont get the other 2-4 bb's you got from him.

enlighten?

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KoRnholio

01-13-2009, 10:43 PM

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I am with Chopper here. Given the read it seems he would play a draw passively.

Sure this time he ended up being a spewtard, but other times he'll be a donk with a hand like A3 and take you to the cleaners.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

Knytestorme

01-13-2009, 11:46 PM

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From going over it, I think pre is a little spewy given he's only giving up his sb 16% of the time, but we're in position with a decent hand and an unopened pot. I think I'd like this more in 6-max than fr but meh.

On the flop, we're c-betting when checked to obviously and calling the c/r since we would assume he'd 3-bet an A pre given his stats. The issue I have here is that just calling leads to the turn action.

On the turn we pick up the 2NFD so raise for value and also to continue to rep an A...however, just calling the c/r on the flop would make a thinking player assume you don't have an A since if you did the flop would have been capped so they 3-bet us and again we just call.

On the river villain bricks and can't stand up to a raise even though he knows you're fos so should have c/c unless he had like 75o

Chopper

01-14-2009, 02:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Knytestorme

I think I'd like this more in 6-max than fr but meh.

to me, this is something EVERYONE still misses that plays FR poker.....after 6 fricken folds, THIS IS 6MAX! Q9s is a button raise all day, unless blinds are loose. and, even then, good post flop skill can still really fuck with their minds. (and that's kind of the point here because there's no way Q9s is profitable against someone that overdefends like this. but, it will get your premiums paid off nicely in the future.....remember 350 hands. you should both have notes on each other by now.)

i dont think i need to repeat that, though.

other than that, i pretty much agree with what Knyter said. and, i second the fact that villain's river fold was horrible after this ping-pong (errrr, table tennis) match went back and forth so violently.

i dont see how either of you had the other's hand narrowed down much at all. looks like a SD of the biggest balls here...and he wrapped his in a sack and took them home for you.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

Knytestorme

01-14-2009, 03:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knytestorme

I think I'd like this more in 6-max than fr but meh.

to me, this is something EVERYONE still misses that plays FR poker.....after 6 fricken folds, THIS IS 6MAX!

I agree to an extent, but my point was that 6-max and FR do play differently and you have to expect most people at FR to be playing in a FR mindset rather than 6-Max.

Having said that, it actually reinforces your point in that we can assume the blinds are playing a tighter FR game and we can be even more loose than normal with our position and get a better read on blinds ranges depending on how they play with us.

socal1111

01-14-2009, 04:39 AM

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Spewage... results oriented post!

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01-14-2009, 04:47 AM

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the thing is he has like ZERO made hands that would 3bet the turn

asdpikas

01-14-2009, 06:36 AM

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ok

here's my thinking street by street, hope to see your responses

PF

I will ALWAYS steal with this hand on the button wether its FR, 6max or whatever.

Flop

The guy coldcalled, so i can reduce the likelihood of him having an ace or a big pair to almost none.
Given what i know (see his notes) if he had hit a pair, he would donk the flop, and if he just wanted to get to SD w some Khi hoping to hit something or be best, he would c/c and donk turn on improvement.
The only thing i dont have a specific note on is what he does with his FDs

I call his flop raise almost 100% sure my pair outs are good.

TURN
I pick up the FD while the 3 is a brick for him (again, he would have donked 3x on the flop) so i decide to raise his lead as a semibluff in case it was all just a move on his part not to let him hit a pair and also if he is on the FD to charge him.
I get 3bet. I am not folding here, but i have to think this is not a pure bluff. To me this stinks FD semibluff. The guy is really aggro, and no other hand makes sense here given his stats and the notes.
I call, deciding i will raise any spade or non-club brick on the river.

RIVER BRICK
Such an aggro player will fire the last bullet 100% so raising here is a no brainer for me.
If i am correct in my analysis of the hand, there is no way he will call.
My line is strong enough to say i have a big hand and is not inconsistent with something like AK or A8 or 88 or AA or even A4.

Of course i will fold if he 3bets, but then again, it just makes no sense to me what holding he could have that would do that. Sloplayed AA would be the only one and if he has exactly that, well, more power to him.

I think my line is better than calling the turn and bluff raising the river because it looks much more like i have a big hand. I'm not repping AA here so much as just a big hand (2pair, TPTK) that wants some action but nothing extreme until the FDs miss on the river.

PLEASE COMMENT

Chopper

01-14-2009, 03:42 PM

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clearly, you know more than i do. consider me enlightened. i just dont think that deeply yet.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

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