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Old 08-13-2005, 04:18 AM     Post subject: This one any good? #1 (permalink)  
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Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6, 6.
UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 4, 2, A (3 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 4 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.20 BB) 9 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.20 BB
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Old 08-13-2005, 05:26 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I'm raising the flop here on this guy's bet. My thinking is if he had the Ace he is more likely to check raise the turn. He could be betting anything here, and you really want him to fold without showing down your hand. My line of this play:

Raise the flop, Check the turn, call the river. Your ahead here on the flop to warrant a raise and if he had something he'd check/raise the turn (and even if he didn't). He will also bluff the river many times to make a call profitable. I really like seeing a lot of showdowns cheaply with a hand like this HU.


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Old 08-14-2005, 12:12 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Call, call, call is fine too. It really depends on how predictable your opponent is. Against an unknown in a typically aggro 5/10 game you'll get into tricky spots often enough with plays like Jeff suggested. He'll 3-bet, stop'n'go, etc. with a wide range of holdings.

Call, raise (or fold to a bad card), check is a good line too.
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Old 08-14-2005, 12:33 AM #4 (permalink)  
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In a similar vein:

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP with 5, 5.
UTG calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 6, 4, J (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 2 (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 4 (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:35 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I'm raising the flop here on this guy's bet. My thinking is if he had the Ace he is more likely to check raise the turn. He could be betting anything here, and you really want him to fold without showing down your hand. My line of this play:

Raise the flop, Check the turn, call the river. Your ahead here on the flop to warrant a raise and if he had something he'd check/raise the turn (and even if he didn't). He will also bluff the river many times to make a call profitable. I really like seeing a lot of showdowns cheaply with a hand like this HU.
I raise the flop also, and I bet the turn and check behind the river most of the time.
If he donk bets the turn I call down from there.

I only check the turn to induce a river bluff if
A) I think my opponent is likely to fold to a turn bet. -AND-
B) I think my hand is strong enough to give a free card -AND-
C) I think my opponent is agressive enough to bluff on the river.

Since in this hand only "C" is true, I think a turn bet/ river check is best.
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:44 AM #6 (permalink)  
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The second hand I'm more inclined to just let it go. I doubt it's AA/KK, but it's often something like 99/88/77 that tried to limp then said "screw you for trying to isolate me!" Your typical semi-aware 2/4 player (without a clear loose or weak/tight read) is bringing in big unpaired unsuited cards for a raise.
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:57 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Your typical braindead 2/4 player (without a clear loose or weak/tight read) is brining in two cards for a raise.
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Too many limp-reraises are exactly "any 2 cards" that I've seen in the 2/4-3/6ish level. I have a great one that I hope I can find...

I can't find it, but I remember the limp-reraise was J9o and he dragged a huge pot. It was hilarious. It seems to me that it's something like that more often than not.
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Old 08-16-2005, 03:03 AM #8 (permalink)  
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If someone's playing J9o from UTG, you should have some kind of read on that. I might call down a rather loose player here.

I think most (70% or so) Party 2/4 players try.
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Mayb 2/4 is an inherently different game, but all the limp 3-bets ive seen at 1/2 are AA/KK.
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Mayb 2/4 is an inherently different game, but all the limp 3-bets ive seen at 1/2 are AA/KK.
Once you eliminate the total bozos who I know are bozos comming into the hand it's about 50/50 in most the games I've played it. I've seen a lot of limping for a multi-pot then playing back at the isolation raise. Then again, I might tend to induce such plays with my 11-12% PFR...
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Old 08-19-2005, 05:10 AM #11 (permalink)  
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This hand made me think of this thread.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, Q.
UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 2, J, 7 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12 BB) A (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls.

River: (15 BB) 4 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 17 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Ad 9d (one pair, aces).
Hero has Qh Qs (one pair, queens).
Outcome: UTG wins 17 BB.
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Old 08-19-2005, 08:29 AM #12 (permalink)  
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ummm.. wow. well played. that sucks.
wtf was BB Doing?
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Old 08-19-2005, 02:23 PM #13 (permalink)  
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ummm.. wow. well played. that sucks.
wtf was BB Doing?
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