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Wyvver

09-17-2006, 08:03 AM Post subject: Omaha8 questions

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I deposited a few days ago on PS and started playing the micro omaha8 ring tables. So far I'm doing good, but I feel like I definately have leaks in my game ^^

First thing is, I play very tight, but there is one thing I cant seem to lay down preflop: A suited ace. In the micro games there is rarely any preflop raising...so if I know I can limp, is it okay to limp with any suited ace?
I'm quick to lay it down if I dont hit a flush draw at least.

Second thing is preflop raising. I know this sounds weak, and I know people advise to raise preflop to get value in with premium hands. But it just seems to work better when I just limp any hand.
In the micro limits, often if I raise preflop either:
- nearly everyone folds, which I dont like in Omaha8 because Im playing for the nuts and scooping the pot. When I hit something big Im then often sitting there in a heads up pot where the other player will fold to slight aggression.
- everyone calls and I miss, wasting the preflop raise amount

Plus, if I just limp and then hit something big, it seems with many players in everyone is more likely to want to stay and see some more cards as well which often leads to huge pots.
Am I way off here? (at least for micro tables?)

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TLR

09-18-2006, 04:34 AM

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A suited by itself is not a good enough reason to play a hand, it is a very big bonus in a hand with some other possibilities but by itself it is not a reason to play a hand.

raising preflop with your big hands in PLO serves two purposes:
1. Narrowing the field, so you can win pots even if you dont have the stone cold nuts.
2. Building the pot - in PL games it is more important then any other form since the amount you can bet after the flop directly related to the size of the pot.

If you havent done so already look at Omaha starting hands point count systems

oroboros

09-18-2006, 04:58 PM

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Hey I'm with you Wyvver, trying to pick up PLO and plug some leaks, good luck.

I have a question for some of the experienced Omaha players, that is I've heard that sometimes it is right on later streets to just call bets and get overcalls behind you to get more money in the pot and sometimes its right to raise it up and knock people out for fear of being quartered. Is there anything specific you are looking for to make this decision.

I find myself usually letting people come along on the turn and river when I have no high but have the nut low, is this coreect?

Wyvver

09-18-2006, 07:09 PM

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I think I read a few times that it's best to only call with the nut low, you want more people in incase you get quatered (someone correct me when I'm wrong here ^^).
Unless you want to bluff with the nut low, which for me seems to work sometimes on the river, if I played the hand like I had a high hand.

I had a really hard time folding 2nd full house to aggression. But after losing some huge pots to someone holding the pure nuts, I'm cured now

It's probably best if I try to play at least somewhat more aggressively, I'm just to passive now I guess. For example I tend to make very small bets when I hit the nut flush, which results in big pots because lots of people stay, but it also means people draw out on me very often.

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09-19-2006, 05:08 AM

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Calling or raising with the nut low is totally situational, you need to have a fairly good idea on what direction villian is heading.
I will try to go over few possible cases, in all cases I assume that whoever is going for low probably has the nut low.

1. One villian going high - you want to bet and try to knock him out if his high is not that strong and scoop the pot
2. One villian going low - bet if you have some sort of a high hand (two pair, TPTK) you may win 3/4, check-call if you dont have a chance at high
3. Two villians - both going high - you want to keep them both at the pot for as long as you can, because you are splitting the pot, so you need them both in. If you are first to act you are often better check-calling, if you are in the middle calling is the best move, if you are last it depends on which street you are on and how loose villians are
4. Two villians - one going high and one going low. It is usually best to call unless you have some sort of a high hand and believe you can knock off the high hand with agressive betting.

Also keep in mind that if all this action is at the flop or the turn you want to be much more careful if you dont have counterfeit protection

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09-19-2006, 05:36 AM

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Great info there TLR. Are there any indicators to look for to help determine which direction the others are trying for? I have a hard time looking at the board and figuring out if they're going high or low.

TLR

09-19-2006, 07:13 AM

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One indication is players who lead out when 2 lows hi the flop but check when a high card hits the turn - they are usually going low. If they bet in this situation they are usually going high.

If 2 high cards hit the board and someone bets something like 1/3-1/2 pot but if the 2nd low hits he bets the max is often a player with a strong high end

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09-22-2006, 06:32 AM

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You can play a suited Ace as long as you follow the general guidelines below:

1) The Ace is suited to one of your cards and the other 2 cards are 10 point cards (so in this case AxsJT or AxsQK etc).

2) The Ace is suited to one of your cards and the other 2 are wheel cards( Axs34 Axs24 etc)

3) The Ace is suited to one of the cards and the other 2 cards are either a 10 pt card or higher or a 2 or a 3 (Axs3J or Axs2K etc).

And remember that you are playing to scoop or win 3/4 of the pot not split it (there are exceptions but those will be few and far between).

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