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Old 09-08-2006, 02:35 PM     Post subject: Omaha: What can we limp with? #1 (permalink)  
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Do we even bother limping with one-pair hands like JJxx etc?
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Old 09-08-2006, 02:51 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $14.98
UTG+1: $21.25
UTG+2: $23.74
Hero: $47.26
MP2: $20
MP3: $33.50
CO: $11.15
Button: $82.02
SB: $35.65
BB: $56.15

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP1 with 9 9 Q A
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: T 4 9 ($3, 6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $7, 4 folds, UTG raises all-in $12.48, Hero calls.

Turn: Q ($31.96, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $31.96)


River: 2 ($31.96, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $31.96)


Results:
Final pot: $31.96
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Old 09-08-2006, 02:57 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $30.26
Hero: $29.78
MP1: $52.44
MP2: $8.15
MP3: $81.26
CO: $40.30
Button: $49.25
SB: $9.66
BB: $15.85

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A Q 6 A
UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 8 A 5 ($2.5, 5 players)
SB checks, BB, folds, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.01, MP1 raises to $7.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $23.46, MP1 raises to $39.9, Hero calls all-in $5.82.
Uncalled bets: $10.62 returned to MP1.

Turn: 9 ($61.06, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $61.06)


River: J ($61.06, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $61.06)


Results:
Final pot: $61.06
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What about AxsAxs
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Old 09-10-2006, 05:06 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I dont mind limping JJxx and higher in passive fishy games.
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I dont mind limping JJxx and higher in passive fishy games.
What if someone raises pf, which means he prob have AAxx(correct me if wrog), could you call and hit your set with JJxx, b/c they suck at folding it? Implied odds still works right?
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They still work but the value of your implied odds change. In holdem flopping sets are somewhat rare, so when you do its a monster. Add in 2 more cards and I am sure you can figure out where I am heading with this. Bottom set is not even safe in PLO. Sometimes that is.
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Old 09-11-2006, 03:36 AM #8 (permalink)  
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They still work but the value of your implied odds change. In holdem flopping sets are somewhat rare, so when you do its a monster. Add in 2 more cards and I am sure you can figure out where I am heading with this. Bottom set is not even safe in PLO. Sometimes that is.
QFT. It has to be a very loose/passive game for me to limp something like JJxx rainbow in early position. In later position I will do it more often, but even then I won't limp anything worse than TTxx if it doesn't have additional helping cards (like say 89TT or even 78TT).

While set over set is rare, set against a favorite monster draw isn't. With any pair less than tens, you'll often be stuck with a set that can't take much heat on certain boards. Add being out of position/in early position to this and it can be a nightmare.

Case in point (sorry converter doesn't like crypto):

Game #3130564394: Omaha PL ($0.50/$1) - 2006/08/05 - 13:19:15 (ET)
Table "chomping" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: orchard6 ($10.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Stonef4ce ($145 in chips)
Seat 3: dangler ($77.76 in chips)
Seat 4: Remergo ($31.50 in chips)
Seat 5: gangster ($55.75 in chips)
Seat 6: dracula ($116.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Brummieg ($48.75 in chips)
Seat 8: __data__ ($165.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Mistajok sits out
Seat 10: fang ($159.25 in chips)
Remergo: posts small blind $0.50
gangster: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Stonef4ce [6h Ad 6d 4s]
dracula: folds
Brummieg: raises to $2
__data__: folds
fang: calls $2
orchard6: calls $2
Stonef4ce: calls $2
dangler: folds
Remergo: calls $1.50
gangster: calls $1
----- FLOP ----- [4h 2h 6c]
Remergo: checks
gangster: checks
Brummieg: checks
fang: checks
orchard6: checks
Stonef4ce: bets $10
Remergo: calls $10
gangster: folds
Brummieg: calls $10
fang: folds
orchard6: folds
----- TURN ----- [4h 2h 6c][8s]
Remergo: checks
Brummieg: checks
Stonef4ce: checks
----- RIVER ----- [4h 2h 6c 8s][Qs]
Remergo: bets $18
Brummieg: folds
Stonef4ce: calls $18
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Remergo: shows [3h 3d 5c 9s] (A Straight, Six high)
Stonef4ce: mucks hand [6h Ad 6d 4s]
Remergo collects $75 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $78 Main pot $75 Rake $3
Board [4h 2h 6c 8s Qs]
Seat 1: orchard6 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Stonef4ce mucked [6h Ad 6d 4s]
Seat 3: dangler (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Remergo (small blind) showed [3h 3d 5c 9s] and won ($75) with A Straight, Six high
Seat 5: gangster (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: dracula folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Brummieg folded on the River
Seat 8: __data__ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: fang folded on the Flop
****HAND ENDS****


Had I been out of position in this hand, it would have been even uglier I'm sure. At least I got to take a free card by checking the turn, but then had to call the river since only a few plausible hands beat me.
Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
 
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