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12-05-2009, 05:19 AM
Post subject: omaha software
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4-of-a-Kind
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hello. what tracking software are people using for omaha high? i'm looking for something which also has a HUD/HUD capabilities if possible. thanks.
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syracuse44
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HEM does omaha.
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TonyB73
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Originally Posted by syracuse44
HEM does omaha.
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Known as "Omaha Manager"
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oskar
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I've bought the HEM addon. HUD works fine and they have some PLO specific filters and stuff. Still on the pricey side for what it is imo. But it's not like there are tons of alternatives.
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jyms
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It shows the equities in the table hud for every street on every HH, which I alone think it's wroth the $60 for it. Learning how equities change on particular cards is so valuable in Omaha.
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swiggidy
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Jyms equity thing sounds interesting. However...
There is little need for a HUD in PLO. You'd be better off learning the game and how to read boards/players.
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jyms
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Most of the high stakes guys in the DC vids say to use just VPIP, PFR and a couple other stats to show positional awareness and the like. It was Cole South who said that looking at the table HH's showing hundreds of equities a session would be invaluable while playing and I agree. Trying to punch in past HH's into propokertools street by street to look at the EV while playing is tilting as hell.
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swiggidy
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Does it display this eV during the hand? Or the previous hand?
w/ propokertools, after the hand, you can copy/paste* the hands and the board and hit "unroll" to see every street
*(maybe dependent on poker software, I'm referring to PS)
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drmcboy
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I always thought a HUD would be not that great either, then once I started using one I discovered many regs I 'knew' were much looser/tighter than I thought. Also it's hard to keep track of shorties, and you really want to know if they are the 15/0 or 52/10 types.
Depends on stakes and table #, but anyone playing 25 plo+ should have it, def worth two BIs or w/e. 3 bet % alone is worth it. And Jyms is right about the equity. it is not at the table, there is a replayer where you see the street by street.
Why can't you learn how to play the game and have a HUD? That logic never made any sense to me. take some HUD breaks if you want 'feel' play. And or play less tables. FWIW I used all your arguments against HUDs before I started using them for HE and I was wrong too.
I've done substantial amounts of playing both ways and I would be really surprised if you did not prefer the HUD.
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jyms
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Just to have it showdown the mucked cards even if you turn off the actual stats is worth it imo. Biggest thing is that not every sight has HH's like stars either. iPoker's HH viewer is insanely bad, there is no option to cut and paste a HH at all. It looks like this.
as for the equities they look like this HE hand ( I don't have omaha manager yet) at the bottom by street in showdown hands
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drmcboy
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Oh yeah I forgot about that box, i never use it. so that plus cool replayer
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swiggidy
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In HE I always thought the argument against HUD was absurd, because at the very least you could identify the 15/2 who has a set everytime he raises you post, or AA/KK every time he 3bets pre.
Just to play devil's advocate, I think the HUD adds an extra layer of complexity. While you're learning what hands to play, and what flops are good/bad it doesn't matter as much what your villains are doing (assuming you're table selecting, etc). As you're shifting from "learning" to "grinding" and starting to push smaller edges and trying to exploit smaller leaks then the HUD definitely becomes more useful.
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jyms
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It's like I said to you before. I would run OM and just change the hud settings to have VPIP and PFR, that way you can look at the equities in the showdown hands and see mucked cards easily. I never understood why guys that do vids or have HM want to keep clicking on extra windows and scanning through HH's to see villains cards or look at action when it's all right there already. Just because HM is running it doesn't mean you have to have 30 stats on each opponent.
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drmcboy
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yeah I only have VPIP, PFR, att to steal (more for tourneys) and 3 bet. You can ignore the info if you want but I'm not understanding how having it can be a negative - if it's distracting, turn it on every 100 hands or so and then turn it back off. Everything you say about HE is true for PLO, when someone 10/2 raises UTG you don't want to be 3 betting AKQJds, or any hand. It also tracks your stats which helps you learn what hands to play.
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baudib
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It seems to me that stats for PLO "normalize" or converge more quickly than for hold'em and you can get a good idea on how someone plays after just a few hundred hands....really, just seeing their showdowns and what they play to raises from the blinds is often enough. yes, I think the important thing to know is who you can 3-bet and who only has AAxx when they raise/3-bet.
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Playing big pots at small stakes.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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yeah also the 50/10 guys will show right away, at least the 50 part.
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