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Rabid Dog

04-25-2006, 04:49 PM Post subject: Omaha Question

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Couldnt figure out where to post this at. Anyhow here goes.

Game # 313412557 - Omaha High Pot Limit EUR 0.25/0.50 - Table "Gyula"

Players(max 6):
Royal (EUR 139.60 in seat 1)
haraki (EUR 63.65 in seat 2)
brunkarn (EUR 53.85 in seat 3)
_rabiddog (EUR 27.90 in seat 4)
Hammer21 (EUR 34.00 in seat 5)
Huggebus (EUR 0.00 in seat 6)

Dealer: _rabiddog
Small Blind: Hammer21 (0.25)
Big Blind: Royal (0.50)

_rabiddog was dealt: 5h - 5d - Kh - Ah

haraki Fold
brunkarn Fold
_rabiddog Call (0.50)
Hammer21 Call (0.25)
Royal Check

Flop Th - 7h - Td

Hammer21 Bet (0.50)
Royal Call (0.50)
_rabiddog Call (0.50)

Turn Th - 7h - Td - Ks

Hammer21 Bet (1.00)
Royal Call (1.00)
_rabiddog Call (1.00)

River Th - 7h - Td - Ks - 9h

Hammer21 Bet (2.50)
Royal Raise (13.50)
_rabiddog ???

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Rabid Dog

04-25-2006, 04:51 PM

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Another hand.

Game # 313417762 - Omaha High Pot Limit EUR 0.25/0.50 - Table "Vac"

Players(max 6):
BETTYGABOR (EUR 161.46 in seat 1)
malisa (EUR 10.90 in seat 2)
potkraj (EUR 30.55 in seat 3)
_rabiddog (EUR 23.85 in seat 4)
gmyfm (EUR 37.73 in seat 5)
richzuniga (EUR 0.00 in seat 6)

Dealer: gmyfm
Small Blind: BETTYGABOR (0.25)
Big Blind: malisa (0.50)

_rabiddog was dealt: Ah - As - Kh - 5s

potkraj Call (0.50)
_rabiddog Call (0.50)
gmyfm Raise (2.75)
BETTYGABOR Call (2.50)
malisa Call (2.25)
potkraj Call (2.25)
_rabiddog Call (2.25)

Flop Ac - 4c - 8c

BETTYGABOR Check
malisa Check
potkraj Check
_rabiddog Check
gmyfm Check

Turn Ac - 4c - 8c - 2h

BETTYGABOR Bet (5.00)
malisa Fold
potkraj Fold
_rabiddog ???

Rondavu

04-25-2006, 04:53 PM

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If he's tight you fold. Otherwise you almost always call. Rarely do you raise.

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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

Rabid Dog

04-25-2006, 05:04 PM

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I folded both those hands. Neither player in either hand was really pushing their big stack around, and seemed to be playing fairly tight.

This was on B2B network if that makes any difference.

krimson

04-25-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabid Dog

_rabiddog was dealt: Ah - As - Kh - 5s

I think I would reraise this PF. To me getting nearly AI pre-flop with AA double suited and lots of dead money in the pot seems juicier than playing for top set.

Rabid Dog

04-25-2006, 05:34 PM

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I thought about raising that pre flop. Unfortunately it was right after I clicked the call button. I'm new to Omaha and really just trying it out for the bonus hunting advantages. I never thought about the double suited aspect of that hand. My thoughts were AA, two straight draws and a flush draw. Never thought about the two flush draws. Pre flop that is.

chardrian

04-25-2006, 07:14 PM Post subject: Re: Omaha Question

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Originally Posted by Rabid Dog

Couldnt figure out where to post this at.

The Section is called Every Which Poker but Holdem.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...e445c13da9175d

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04-25-2006, 07:29 PM

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Thanks, if you want to move it that would be fine. Or anyone that might want to move it. Or just leave it here in the beginner section, since it was kinda a beginner question anyhow.

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04-25-2006, 07:35 PM

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KoRnholio

04-25-2006, 10:06 PM

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I don't play much shorthanded PLO, but the first hand should be a fold after one guy appears to be milking Txxx while the other guy raises hard on the river. I expect at least one of them to have a boat, but it is very likely that they both do now.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabid Dog

_rabiddog was dealt: Ah - As - Kh - 5s

I think I would reraise this PF. To me getting nearly AI pre-flop with AA double suited and lots of dead money in the pot seems juicier than playing for top set.

Yep if you can ever get more than half your money in preflop with AAxx double suited, do it. In this case after you limp you could match the 2.25 and raise 13 more, getting 15.75E of your 24E stack in the middle with great odds. Omaha is all about gamboooling with the odds in your favor

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

Rabid Dog

04-25-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KoRnholio

I don't play much shorthanded PLO,

Thanks, unfortunately on B2B thats about all you can play. They have basically one full ring (8 max) table running and the rest are 6 max. This is during the am and early afternoon times.

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Thanks, I will keep that in mind next time.

KoRnholio

04-26-2006, 12:33 AM

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Yeah I've been whoring B2B too. I really only play when there are 8-max PLO tables going or full ring limit holdem. 8-handed plays pretty much like full ring, but at 6 I'm sure there's adjustments that need to be made that I just haven't wanted to deal with yet :P

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

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04-26-2006, 02:19 AM

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they pot 2 pair from any position and chase like demons.
oh and call preflop with any trash.

Rabid Dog

04-26-2006, 03:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

they pot 2 pair from any position and chase like demons.
oh and call preflop with any trash.

And it really really hurts when those chasing demons catch, which seems to be a little too often.

ihategnomes

04-27-2006, 06:54 PM

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Hand 2: Baby jesus cried when you checked top set in position.

Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
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Rabid Dog

04-27-2006, 07:40 PM

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Bad habit of mine, slowplaying.

ihategnomes

04-27-2006, 08:44 PM

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You cant slow play in Omaha. Especially when the board is 3 to a suit. Id bet the pot and if I raised or called I would slow down if not stop.

Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
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Rabid Dog

04-27-2006, 11:57 PM

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So I should have raised pre flop for sure on the second hand (how much). And then bet the flop (how much). If raised back at me, fold? If called then slow down? Am I right here?

Of course he could have just had 2 pair and bet the $5 to take the hand there since every one checked the flop. Or maybe trip 2's when the 2 hit the turn?

ihategnomes

04-28-2006, 01:40 AM

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raise preflop is bad for people learning to play Omaha. It adds more to the varience than to your profits as you will get in some weird spots playing biggish pots. I think your biggest error in this hand revolved around not potting the flop.

Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
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Rabid Dog

04-28-2006, 02:24 AM

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Ok, so the limp pre flop was ok, I just needed to bet the flop (pot size) and go from there on how they react.

Thanks, its much appreciated.

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