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urobolus

02-17-2006, 04:09 PM Post subject: Omaha high strategy

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Hey all,

I see a lot of Omaha high/low advice here, but I'm currently just playing Omaha high (please refrain from making any marijuana jokes out of that sentence), and can't find any books, websites, etc. on it.

Anyone know of anything that could help me, aside from a new, telepathic brain and x-ray glasses?

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ihategnomes

02-17-2006, 04:16 PM

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Check out the sticky, there is a good link to a point system that will help you bridge the preflop strategy gap. Bob Ciaffone Omaha book is about as good as it gets book wise. If anything learn these 2 crucial concepts.

1.) Always have the nuts or be drawing to the nuts.

2.) Redraws are one the most important aspects of Omaha and they drastically change the way you play a hand.

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KoRnholio

02-17-2006, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ihategnomes

Bob Ciaffone Omaha book is about as good as it gets book wise.

I will have to check that one out. I read Middle Limit Hold'em by him and Jim Brier and I liked it alot. On a related note do *not* waste your money on Champtionship Omaha by Cloutier and McEvoy. It's a completely useless piece of garbage.

Edit: Just went looking for it on Amazon.com...

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Omaha Holdem Poker: The Action Game (Paperback)
by Bob Ciaffone

Availability: Available from these sellers.

2 used & new available from $68.20"

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If you plan on buying this book, you can get it direct from Ciaffone himself for $16 plus shipping and he will sign it too.

Don't pay these other scabs their inflated prices!!!!!!

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I guess the search continues to find out where I can get it from Ciaffone...

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

urobolus

02-19-2006, 05:01 AM

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I read that point system article, and the way it works it seems like you end up folding like 80% of the time, sometimes even if you've got a pair of aces (even three of them).

Is that the way you're actually supposed to play?

Also, keep in mind that the people I am playing with don't know sh** about Omaha and will probably call with trash (attractive looking trash, like a hand full of one suit or any pair), and bet like crazy on straights even if there are trips and four of the same suit on the board.

Should that alter my strategy (it does in hold'em--you can't win the same way if you have people who will either fold before the flop or bet crap until the river), or should I still fold 8 out of 10 hands?

And for any Omaha players, don't you find it hard folding AA99 or KQoJTo, especially when you'll probably see some of those hands turn into full boats, ace high flushes or otherwise monster hands? (Not that it really matters, I suppose; all that matters is pride and $$$, and maybe a little fun thrown in there)

krimson

02-19-2006, 11:36 AM

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Disclaimer: I'm not much of an expert at Omaha, I just have some experience of low-stakes PLOH fishing

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Originally Posted by urobolus

Yes. It is largely a myth that hand values in Omaha run close together. It is correct if you only consider pre-flop AI situations, but Omaha is a post-flop game. You make money by making a nut (or near nut) hand or monster draw and betting the living daylights out of it (preferably with position). While a premium hand like AAJT double suited may only be maybe 60% favourite against a random garbage hand pre-flop it is [insert large number here] times more likely to make the nuts, near nuts or a monster draw on the flop, and thus make a profit.
(As a side remark note that you should especially fold any "pocket three of a kind".)

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Also, keep in mind that the people I am playing with don't know sh** about Omaha and will probably call with trash (attractive looking trash, like a hand full of one suit or any pair), and bet like crazy on straights even if there are trips and four of the same suit on the board.

Should that alter my strategy (it does in hold'em--you can't win the same way if you have people who will either fold before the flop or bet crap until the river), or should I still fold 8 out of 10 hands?

You will still win by making the nuts or near nuts, so you should play roughly the same hands. Maybe limp some more marginal hands in EP which you would fold if you had more respect for the players who have position on you.
Also give up any hope of being able to isolate pre-flop by raising. Don't play AA hands for overpair value, but only for top set, nut boat, nut flush possibilites etc. The only thing you'll achieve by raising pre-flop is to build the pot, so do it when you have a premium hand (many ways to make the nuts) in position.

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And for any Omaha players, don't you find it hard folding AA99 or KQoJTo, especially when you'll probably see some of those hands turn into full boats, ace high flushes or otherwise monster hands?

Personally I would probably not fold these hands at a typically fishy table, as they both have a reasonable chance of making the nuts. I'd limp both in EP and raise both on the button. But they are fairly marginal, and I don't think you are giving up that much by just limping in LP instead.

urobolus

02-19-2006, 09:27 PM

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Thanks;

Another question, though: this is the first time these guys have played Omaha, so they'll probably go on tilt as soon as they get something that 'seems' nice. For example, I'm pretty sure if one of them got four 2's he'd bet until betting's capped, even though that hand's not very good.

Should I only go in with the best of the premium hands (with AKsAKs as the best of the best and a little bit lower--about 30 on that point scale, 15% success rate?) or can I still afford to play marginal hands (maybe minimum 22 points, 11% success rate) as long as they're not in the marginal/crap border on the chart (there is no chart, I'm just theorizing)? For example, in the above situation would I go in with 8s 9s 10d 3c? What about Js 10d Qc Kh? Or should I play tighter?

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02-20-2006, 06:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by urobolus

Should I only go in with the best of the premium hands (with AKsAKs as the best of the best and a little bit lower--about 30 on that point scale, 15% success rate?) or can I still afford to play marginal hands (maybe minimum 22 points, 11% success rate) as long as they're not in the marginal/crap border on the chart (there is no chart, I'm just theorizing)? For example, in the above situation would I go in with 8s 9s 10d 3c? What about Js 10d Qc Kh? Or should I play tighter?

Depends on number of players and position. I'll play almost anything in a shorthanded game with position, but at a full table I think you can let most of the hands you've mentioned go.

KoRnholio

02-20-2006, 11:27 PM

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The limp is king in a passive Omaha game. If there's not much preflop raising, then you can limp a ton of hands.. Even stuff like A5(suited)T9 that won't hit a good flop very often, but when it does you can likely win a good sized pot.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

urobolus

02-21-2006, 05:38 AM

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Thanks everyone--unfortunately, two of my buddies lost so bad in the game that they refuse to ever play it again. Too bad--it was a nice break from Hold'em.

And considering I can't afford any of the deposits needed for online poker rooms (and for some reason Pokerstars declined my visa--it was a debit card, though, so maybe that has some restrictions on online gaming) looks like I'm gonna have to just play Omaha with play money with the mavericks on Paradisepoker.

<sigh>, and I was having such a ball...

Miffed22001

02-22-2006, 11:51 PM

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Plo is abput making the nutz so limp nut hands
While the point ranking system is good i dont think it takes into account how often you get paid while limping meiocre hands.
So for exmple T668 one soot for example is pretty crap but considering you will get paid in most games if you ht a set limping aint so bad so long as you arent doing oop or in bad position and there are others in the pot.
From playing omaha upto 400pl i find its implied odds that rule preflop not necesarly other stuff.

Al4As

03-12-2006, 12:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by urobolus

For example, I'm pretty sure if one of them got four 2's he'd bet until betting's capped, even though that hand's not very good.

Man, I wish you were sarcastic there. You understand thats the WORST hand possible right ? Even AAAA is complete garbage.

And dont wait for AAKK ds lol... you get it 1/40000 hands.

Omaha is all about Postflop and the nuts, keep this in mind. Before the flop you can play a lot of thing for cheap with a lot of people who sees a flop. A lot of Implied odds there.
But you have to have a few ways to win... str8 possibilities, high pair, ace high flush... or big wrap of course. for example, 789T is a powerfull hand, which I raise in position. 56910 is weak tho because it makes a LOT less nut str8.

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