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NZNZGZ
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01-16-2009, 09:10 AM
Post subject: Omaha H/L Starting Hand Chart & more.
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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I started to play 6 months ago, and tried different poker games (Hold'em, Omaha H, Omaha H/L, Stud, Razz and so on). It was first of all to get familiar with the different games, but mainly to decide in which one to concentrate my efforts at the time of learning it.
It is easy to find a lot of information about Hold'em either Fixed limit and No limit, but it is more difficult to find info about Omaha, and the one I found talks about basics.
My question is as follows. Is there any "Starting Hand Chart" available, plus additional strategy literature? (Similar to the ones you can find for a SSS in Hold'em).
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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Ray Zee has a book that is good, plus you get stud hi lo in the same book.
Jeff Hwang and Bob Ciaffone both have PLO Hi focused books that have solid sections on LO8 and PLO8
IMO it would be hard to become a good LO8 player without getting experience with Omaha hi (limit or PL) first.
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TLR
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For 7 stud and 7 stud hi-lo there are a bunch of starting hand guides, I read Ray Zee's book for 7 stud hi-lo and it is a good book.
For omaha and omaha hi-lo there are point count systems, I think that there is a link in the omaha stickies (or google omaha point count system)
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TLR
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And for razz - any 3 cards 8 or low or 3 cards with the high card lower then the lowest board card
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NZNZGZ
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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Thanks for the information, I will try to get the books and in addition I will start to learn more about Omaha High (Starting hands, Pre-Flop, Flop Turn and River Actions, strategies, and so on)
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rudefella
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I don't necessarily think you have to play Omaha Hi before playing O8b. I started playing limit 4-8 and 6-12 O8b limit live at the local casinos before playing any other game (it was either that or 1-5 spread stud8b, 4-6 and 4-8 and 6-12 Limit Holdem, or a $150 capped NL game with 2 and 5 blinds. ) O8b had the least variance for my bankroll, so played that and won thousands over several years.
I think the bigger difference is between limit and PL -- playing limit is a good place where you can learn the basics of both games without really suffering the mental anguish and variance of PLO and PLO8. I think limit PL08 has the least variance of any game I've played; while both PLO and PLO8 seem to have majors swings, which for the starting player can be frustrating and dizzying. Of course, some of the starting hand requirement are different between PL and limit games. For example, you can felt a bad player who overplays bares Aces with your middle wrapping hands in PL but not limit. In limit 08 you often have the right odds in a multi-way pot to chase a low even with the chance of getting quartered... in PL you really get punished for chasing lows.
Of course, a lot of what I am speaking is from live Full Ring Omaha games, which I have noticed are much looser than online omaha games. Over many years of playing sessions in AZ and NV (always between 6-18 hours at the casino), I only had a handful of losing sessions. The average pot-sizes online are much smaller and playing super-tight doesn't pay off as much. Plus many of the omaha games online are 6 max. So take what I am saying with that in mind.
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