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djbruxism

08-26-2008, 02:03 AM Post subject: Omaha is a goldmine!! EDIT...Maybe not

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Maybe I'm just on some mad upswing or something but i feel like this game is just too easy!!

I only started playing PL Omaha 10nl 6max at stars 2 days ago and i'm up $200!! That's 20 buyins in 2 days.

Is this just mad + variance, or are these games as soft as i think they are?

I just moved from 10nl FR Hold em for what it's worth.

Anyway, my strategy is pretty simple at the moment.

1. Play a little tighter than everyone else preflop
2. Raise preflop with hands that have nut potential
3. Fold anything but the nuts or a nut draw on the flop
4. Lots of checkraises with 2 pair hands on drawy boards.
5. Bet bet bet with the nuts
6. Get paid

So anyway, i know this seems simplistic, and obviously won't work if i go up even a little bit, but the micros are getting pwned!

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swiggidy

08-26-2008, 02:13 AM

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#4 is probably not good

Otherwise it might be that easy at 10PLO.

Just check your equity at twodimes.net or something when you get it all-in on the flop or turn to make sure you're not just getting lucky.

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djbruxism

08-26-2008, 02:23 AM

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yeah, number 4 is totally counterintuitive to me, and probably does suck.

My idea here is that people here are betting their draws a lot, so if i can get them to bet their draws, then i reraise when i'm in front, i'm getting the most money in when i'm good.

obviously i'm doing this on a dry board, where the only thing beating 2 pair is a set. still bad?

swiggidy

08-26-2008, 02:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by djbruxism

At 10PLO it's probably ok. They're going to be betting top pair, overpairs, and cbetting air (if they're aggressive at all).

Biggest thing is you'll run into the set a decent amount. And you're never that far ahead. Here's a weird hand that spenda will probably rip for some reason:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=5107192

Ultra dry flop, but you're only barely ahead of AA with 2 backdoor flush draws.

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djbruxism

08-26-2008, 02:41 PM

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well, it's the end of another day. After only 3 days at the Omaha tables i've taken my roll from $200 to $500!!

I wish i had poker tracker so i knew exactly how i am running, but i reckon the answer would be freakin awesomely.

So now i'm rolled for 25nl. Not sure if i should move up just yet though. Might try owning these stakes for another couple $100, just to see if this crazy run can continue.

I LOVES OMAHA!

djbruxism

08-28-2008, 03:21 AM

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took a teeny tiny ride on the newbie circle of death today, but caught myself before any lasting damage was done.

Started doing stupid shit like

1. loosening up preflop
2. Chasing non-nut draws
3. Value betting light, and finding out i didn't have the best hand

So, the good news is i caught myself before any lasting damage was done, and now i find myself up another 10 buyins for the day.

Bankroll at $600 now, can this run last??

JinxT4

08-28-2008, 05:21 AM

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djbruxism

08-28-2008, 05:30 AM

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haha, yep, my new move is to NOT check the nuts

djbruxism

09-03-2008, 09:13 AM

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well, i've cooled on omaha. Turns out it was just mad variance. After breaking even for a couple 1000 hands and getting totally frustrated with the crazy swinginess, i'm calling it quits on that one for a while.

Good news is i did learn lots from my experience over there, mostly how to fold the second best hand (sometimes, not always)

I also learnt i love 6 max, so i've moved myself over to 25nl 6 max hold em. I do love to play aggressively (i do have a tendency to implode when i over do it though), and it seems like stacks get to 200BB deep more frequently which suits me and my suited one gappers just fine.

Bankroll just hit $800. Very very excited about that, i'm finally playing winning poker!

My plan was to move straight onto $50nl once i hit $1000, but i don't think my stomach could handle pushing $50 around just yet. I think i'll have to get that bankroll to at least $1500 before trying that move.

Onward and upward

Sheetah

09-03-2008, 01:17 PM

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Flush

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Cold shower!

Yea, omaha does that. Everything is 'magnified' compared to holdem: when you're running hot - it's Sun hot, but when the cooler comes, you're one step from suicide.

cardsman1992

09-03-2008, 02:18 PM

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bigspenda73

09-03-2008, 03:31 PM

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bigspenda73 will become famous soon enough

there's nothing wrong with breaking even if you're running bad. Just wait for positive variance and go on another massive rush.

Sounds like you may not have the stomach for Omaha, which is cool, NL will be more stable for you.

djbruxism

09-03-2008, 03:47 PM

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i guess what i really didn't like about it was flopping the nuts and knowing by the river you would have lost. So you got to bet bet bet to protect, but you know when that third flush card comes it's time to throw it away.

I guess it's the same reason i detest limit holdem.

bigspenda73

09-03-2008, 04:04 PM

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It's not betting to protect, it's betting for value against hands that will not call river bets. You want to get as much value out of your hand on the flop and turn and then more than likely hope to induce bluffs on the river from bricked draws. The nice thing about low-limit PLO is players rarely fastplay anything but sets, so it's much easier to read hands.

LexyBack

09-19-2008, 09:26 PM

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Low limit Omaha Hi is VERY VERY profitable. At essentially a much simpler game.

The reasons for this is it is all about position, and start cards, and when you see the cards and draws people are playing you dont really have to do anything special at all. By seeing more flops with better start cards that lead to nut hands and draws, with the amount of people actually seeing a flop, u just need some good judgement here and there and the cards will do the rest for you.

LexyBack

09-27-2008, 01:48 PM

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This is the game we all need to be playing. The standard of play is unreal, the stone cold facts remain that most people are really bad players, or have had NLHE hammered into the thought processes and play like the do in that game.

I have always played NLHE, and have done well at the low stakes while i build a bankroll to move up. However i bought a PLO book from amazon and began to read. Once you think like a PLO player and not a NLHE player, it is ridiculously easy to dominate low stakes. Also you have to remember than PLO pots are a lot bigger than NLHE pots so even though u may be at $25 PLO, this is more like $50NL in terms of average pot size.

The other day i was in a pot with a guy i had some stats on from NLHE. Come the turn i had the nut straight and the nut flush draw, he bets, i raise, he raises again, i move in, by this time the pots around $68, he calls with middle set. A standard play in NLHE, not here, and with the ridiculous standard of opposition, this is now my game of choice.

chuckc3401

10-06-2008, 06:35 AM

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At the low limits just peddle the nuts. Don't try to be a bluff catcher especially on the river after a lot of checking around on earlier streets, because someone backdoored into a hand.

bigspenda73

10-06-2008, 07:15 AM

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while I do agree that this strategy is profitable chuck, we should always strive to make the most money possible, not to just nut-peddle. Omaha offers many good spots to semi-bluff, bluff, and to value bet non-nut hands against the correct opponents. Just trying to make the nuts might be a good way to learn the game, however, as we progress through the limits we need to be able to have more than just nut hands in our range.

nolan

10-14-2008, 04:22 PM

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Your plan seems flawless.

cowboyardee

10-14-2008, 06:06 PM

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Anyone have any recommendations as to the best books about PLO?

drmcboy

10-14-2008, 06:53 PM

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from an old post

Quote:

Originally Posted by drmcboy

For a beginner, I would say it's:

Omaha Poker by Ciaffone
Hwang
Rolf
Reuben

If you know what you're doing I would skip Ciaffone.

All are worth reading for sure.

also SS2 section is worth a read, but don't buy SS2 just for it

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