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euphoricism
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06-11-2006, 04:20 AM
Post subject: Ok, how about THIS river raise?
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Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , 9 .
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, UTG calls.
Flop: (5.40 SB) 5, 3 , 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.
Turn: (3.70 BB) 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.
River: (3.70 BB) 2 (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises ...
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Harry
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I'm pretty sure I raise here.
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JJDylan
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whats the point? what does he bet that you beat/ dont split with?
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euphoricism
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Originally Posted by JJDylan
whats the point? what does he bet that you beat/ dont split with?
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Its tough. I think you're entirely right, this raise was putting good money into a bad spot. At best I split, at worst I lose to a boat.
I don't know anymore, though. 5/10 is changing drastically.
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Ltrain
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I like the river raise. UTG was sensing weakness on your turn check and could be firing anything. Also HU, he will call you with many combinations you beat; I don't think you can assume you are splitting here, and if you are, you don't lose anything by the raise.
Bet the turn when the board pairs.
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thenonsequitur
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06-11-2006, 04:33 PM
Post subject: Re: Ok, how about THIS river raise?
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While I don't mind a bet on the turn, I personally prefer a turn check against an aggressive opponent (and then autocall river UI).
The river raise is questionable, but I think I raise it too. He could just be taking a stab at it with a small pair/trips or nothing at all because of your expressed weakness on the turn. Then again I enjoy getting stupid agro sometimes. Here I think it's close enough that raising and calling are similar in EV, so if raising is a mistake I don't think it's a big one.
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Reads make all the difference w/ your turn and river line here.
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99% sure I don't raise only time I might is if the rake was already capped going into the river...
An Ace doesn’t fold, you only get 3 bet by a bettor hand, and only hand that calls and you win is a 4 and it doesn’t have A, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 in it... Only 1 I think you take the whole pot against (maybe a couple other combinations if you have reads)
22, 33, 44, 55, 24, 34, 45, 6x he wins
Ax you chop... I just think you pay the rake WAY to often by raising this spot w/o a VERY good read to do so...
Now if the rake is capped which I can’t tell if it is or not from this HH… then I might do it but still probably not, seems like a chop or lose situation most of the time, I don’t think the couple times you win are going to make up for the times you lose, and times you chop it has done nothing…
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euphoricism
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only time I might is if the rake was already capped going into the river...
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Isn't the rake almost always capped by the river at 5/10?
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
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only time I might is if the rake was already capped going into the river...
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Isn't the rake almost always capped by the river at 5/10? |
not ALWAYS... but still i don't think i raise there...
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JohnnyDaly
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Originally Posted by JJDylan
whats the point? what does he bet that you beat/ dont split with?
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