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euphoricism
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06-23-2006, 02:49 PM
Post subject: Ok, fess-up time. Who here is actually making money?
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4-of-a-Kind
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So who here is actually making money, long term, at six max LHE? I'm not. I'm breaking even since about november. Swinging like hell, but breaking even. And everyone whose financial records I'm aware of is essentially breaking even too. The only people I know of who are truly making money at 6max are playing at stakes higher than 10/20 where the rake is less of a factor.
Lets say, since January, who has made a significant profit over a significant sample size at stakes smaller than 10/20?
I'll admit that the only money I am "making" comes from rakeback. I'm break even through play.
I've begun to have serious doubts about the profitability of 6max.
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Warpe
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06-23-2006, 03:00 PM
Post subject: Re: Ok, fess-up time. Who here is actually making money?
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
I've begun to have serious doubts about the profitability of LHE
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Harry
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Full House
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I'm pulling 0.77BB/100 over 10k atm, does that count as more than break even?
I spew tons though.
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pokerfanatic
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yea i'm making money but i don't know a win rate off top of my head...
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Originally Posted by Harry
I'm pulling 0.77BB/100 over 10k atm, does that count as more than break even?
I spew tons though.
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If you have rakeback, .77/100 is making good consistent money, yes.
10k hands isn't enough though (I have finally learned this).
I just got back to even over 20k hands - but I do think the a profit can be made. For me, it is all about table selection and learning to leave even when down - which I suck at.
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I was a slight loser at 3/6 PP over about 35K hands when I first switched to 6max, but since moving down to 2/4 to work on my game I am about +3-4BB/100 for about 15K hands at PP and about +150BB on 3/6 WPEX; I have recovered my roll and will be moving back up to 3/6 on PP soon and give it another go around. These are both of course small sample sizes, but so far so good.
The biggest adjustment I think I have learned since moving down is knowing when I am beaten, and being confident either folding or not firing second and third barrels when behind.
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I think the game is beatable, but I believe that just running a little bad for a long time can be enough to bring it down to break-even. I've been fortunate enough to not run bad more than I "should" (and I've probably run good more than I should), and I'm winning about +1.5BB/100 for about 60k hands of 6max at $1/$2, $2/$4, $3/$6, £1/£2, and £2/£4 on three different sites. Over half of my PT database is missing (hard drive crash  ), and I didn't have PT when I first started playing, so this win rate is an estimate. My most recent 25k hands which are in the DB are a tad over +2BB/100, and I remember my first tracked 30k hands being about +1.2BB/100, plus I probably played about 5k hands of un-tracked poker that was close to breakeven, so 1.5 is an average. 60k isn't that big a sample, but add to that that I'm finding more and more spots to exploit an edge, better at reads, much better at finding weaker players to exploit, better at preventing tilt before it happens, etc... and I still have a lot to improve upon, and this sample is enough to make me feel confident that the game is beatable (and barring too much bad luck, beatable for more than my current winrate). I'm playing many more hands of poker much more frequently than I used to, so I'm hoping for a more significant sample size soon.
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I'm +8 BB/100 over about 18k (in the shop right now, and don't have my PT stats at hand) for 5-max 1/2. That's all I've played this year though. I'm about even over about 2k at 5max 3/6.
I've started playing 3/6 more, and the players like to be tricky. But with good reads, seems easier to me. A lot of the players like to run some pretty outrageous bluffs. I'd be way better than even if not for a 5 minute horrible run of good hands being beaten by better hands every time.
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I'm at 1.5 BB/100 over 36.000 hands of mainly .5/1 and 1/2 and also 500 hands of 2/4
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euphoricism
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I ran 1.89bb/100 over 25k hands, then lost it all (plus more) in the subsequent 25k hands, for a total loss of 0.67bb/100 over 59k hands.
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euphoricism
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Re-read the post jeff, you still dont apply ;p
Nice brag post, though. I'm incredibly jealous 
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Harry
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I'm 3.2bb/100 lifetime at 3/6, although I've been breaking even for the last 5k 
note: I consider breakeven a downswing.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Re-read the post jeff, you still dont apply ;p
Nice brag post, though. I'm incredibly jealous |
Hey, when was the last time I made a brag post??!?! I've been meaning to do it for a while, but winning at LLHE isn't as difficult as you make it out to be.
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
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Jeff, what's your winrate in the BB?
You defend a little less than I would expect.
And I think you can squeeze some extra value by picking your calldown spots a touch better.
Disclaimer: I don't play 10/20.
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elipsesjeff
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My BB winrate really isnt anything to brag about at this point. The first 15k hands of this database I ran perfect blinds, -.15 from the BB and -.08 from the SB. The last 10k or so they've been all sorts of fucked up. I'm at -.21 from the BB and -.09 from the SB.
My blind defense range is pretty dynamic, I won't defend with hands that are going to be behind from the raiser's steal range, and considering I tend to have pretty good table selection, I'm either defending every blind because the fucker is a 65/35 or no blind because he's a 70/5.
I will agree that I have made some real donkey calldowns that were from pure frustration, but I don't want to get in the habit too much of losing my touch of when to call down. Some nights are better than others in picking off river bluffs or giving up free pots because of a free river card. But, overall I'm happy right now with my stats and I don't know how much more I'll be playing this game anyway.
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