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Pelion

06-24-2007, 03:38 PM Post subject: Oh God how do you play OOP in this game (PLO8)

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The river plays itself. Id like comments on all other streets please. Is it a mistake to raise from the blinds when there are limpers in already?

edit: Does anyone know of a converter that works with omaha? None of the ones I can find seem to work.

***** Hand History for Game 6091244982 *****
$25 USD PL Omaha Hi-Lo - Sunday, June 24, 11:27:03 ET 2007
Table Table 125434 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: eeyore9999 ( $47.98 USD )
Seat 4: Vladorzo ( $9.16 USD )
Seat 7: syuen101 ( $69.26 USD )
Seat 6: pelion147 ( $25.25 USD )
Seat 3: djp94140 ( $6.50 USD )
Seat 10: WEINBURGER ( $25.78 USD )
Seat 5: imtank84 ( $5 USD )
Seat 9: DockGM ( $24.40 USD )
Seat 1: haunuman ( $24.93 USD )
Seat 8: endorphine23 ( $5 USD )
pelion147 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
syuen101 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
imtank84: vn
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to pelion147 [ Ts Ad 2d Ac ]
DockGM folds
WEINBURGER calls [$0.25 USD]
haunuman calls [$0.25 USD]
eeyore9999 calls [$0.25 USD]
djp94140 folds
Vladorzo folds
imtank84 calls [$0.25 USD]
pelion147 raises [$0.90 USD]
syuen101 calls [$0.75 USD]
WEINBURGER calls [$0.75 USD]
haunuman folds
eeyore9999 calls [$0.75 USD]
imtank84 calls [$0.75 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, 7h, Js ]
pelion147 bets [$5 USD]
syuen101 folds
WEINBURGER calls [$5 USD]
eeyore9999 calls [$5 USD]
imtank84 folds
>You have options at Table 126727 (No DP) Table!.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kh ]
pelion147 checks
WEINBURGER checks
eeyore9999 checks
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
pelion147 is all-In [$19.25 USD]
WEINBURGER folds
eeyore9999 calls [$19.25 USD]
pelion147 shows [ Ts, Ad, 2d, Ac ]a full house, Aces full of Jacks.
eeyore9999 shows [ Qs, 7d, 7s, 8h ]a full house, Sevens full of Jacks.
pelion147 wins $55.85 USD from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of Jacks.
There was no qualifying low hand

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swiggidy

06-24-2007, 05:14 PM

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raising pre OOP sucks with almost everything. If you're going to raise, pot it.

flop, good
turn, how do people play on this site? If they're bad I bet again because of the flush draw, and they're not smart enough to play a wrap.

Here's a converter, I haven't tried it yet myself:
http://legopoker.com/hh/index.php

FTR's works with PokerStars Omaha

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bigspenda73

06-24-2007, 05:40 PM

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Raising PF is fine, you have an edge in equity so raising would magnify it.

As played, omg shove the turn, right?

KoRnholio

06-24-2007, 05:57 PM

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I hardly play any PLO8, but I think we should pot this turn more often than in PLO, right?

In PLO high quite often someone has the straight already (although we do have one blocker card, the ten). But with top set for the current 2nd nuts+no low draw, we need to bet to protect our hand against 2 people probably drawing to lows/flushes.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

swiggidy

06-24-2007, 06:10 PM

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I didn't realize this was PLO8 (I did then ignored it)

I like raising pre, easy push on turn because of potential low draws.

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salsa4ever

06-25-2007, 01:51 AM

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pre flop very good

push the turn

i use: http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/

u need to register, log in, then manually retype the converter address.

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Pelion

06-25-2007, 12:58 PM

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Thanks for the comments guys but Id appreciate a little more reasoning.

So we push the turn because we are ahead half the time and we have plenty of outs?

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bigspenda73

06-25-2007, 03:09 PM

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We are ahead more than half the time, more like 90% of the time, and we want to charge naked low-draws/flush draws

Pelion

06-25-2007, 03:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

We are ahead more than half the time, more like 90% of the time, and we want to charge naked low-draws/flush draws

With this many players doesnt someone have the straight quite often?

Are we more scared if the board is TJK/QJK rather than AJK since people are playing A2xx and A3xx so often? I dont have the experience yet to know how often people have hit certain boards.

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06-25-2007, 04:15 PM

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god the guy with bottom set/fd played the hand baaaad

overflow

06-25-2007, 08:06 PM

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We're worried on the turn about hands like:
KQJT,QJT9, and QJT9 and any flush draw right? All very playable in raised pots. Obviously it would be a very bad play for someone with just a flush draw to call a pot bet on the turn. I think you made the right play, but only because if QT +flush draw comes over the top you HAVE to fold. And QT with a flush and/or low draw is the only hand the comes over the top here. Unless they're morons.

I agree with spenda, the dude with bottom set is an idiot.

overflow

06-25-2007, 08:14 PM

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Pel: I think based on the fact that you're OOP, you played the turn absolutely correct. If you pot it, QT calls everytime, and even if both players call and you're getting laid 3:1 by the pot, a ton of low cards on the river split it, and it's possible that any non-board pairing spade kills you too. In a worst case scenario there might be 5 spades on the river that scoop for villian.

I need to go consult Berman's kill cards chart for O8, which is basically a matrix that tells you your pot equity against various numbers of kill cards for your hand. It might shed some insight as to how many cards can kill your hand that 3:1 let's you profitably call against.

KoRnholio

06-25-2007, 08:15 PM

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The possibility of QTxx being out, especially in PLO8 where it's quite likely these guys have low cards, shouldn't scare us into not betting.

If we give a free card here, any 2,3,4,5,6,8,T or spade seriously hurts our hand by giving away at least half the pot. Plus being out of position we are at a serious disadvantage going into the river with money behind. Best to get it in on the turn.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

overflow

06-25-2007, 08:20 PM

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Korn: Depends how smart your villians are. I love playing KQJT type hands in raised pots in O8, remember there will always be a high hand, there won't always be a low hand, and more often than not pre-flop raisers in O8 (at least the good players) almost always have 3 cards under a 6 (even if one of them is an A).

But in general, you're right the chances one of these guys calling preflop with QT23, QT24, QT34, etc. are unlikely.

bigspenda73

06-25-2007, 08:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by overflow

Korn: remember there will always be a high hand, there won't always be a low hand

lol, I'm pretty sure Korn realizes this.

Korn said it best, when more than 1/2 the deck on the river kills at least 1/2 your pot equity you need to get your money in ASAP.

overflow

06-25-2007, 08:32 PM

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I wasn't implying he didn't know that, hehehehe. Just saying you can't discount the possibility of someone calling a PFR in 08 with a 4card broadway wrap hand.

Although anyone in this hand with KQJT who didn't repop the flop would seem rather silly. As any straight he makes on the turn also gives him 2pair.

Edit:
But then again, PFR increases the liklihood of AA in the hole, and you'd probably just call the flop to see if you hit your wrap.

overflow

06-25-2007, 08:38 PM

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I'd like potting the turn a hell of a lot more if Hero had AA23/AA24/AA34 and not AA2T. Omaha is not a game I play with great frequency though. Just letting you guys know where I'm coming from in the moderate exposure to O8 that I've had.

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