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Ltrain
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12-13-2008, 01:27 PM
Post subject: Observations from NL that can help limit players
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Hi guys, how are the limit tables going? I used to play 3/6 shorthanded LHE until the 2006 Gaming Act, but after that game selection became tough so I switched to mostly NL. I do miss the passive shorthanded limit tables though.
An observation from NL that I hope can help you. A big leak I have noticed is people not playing pocket pairs well post flop. Specifically, they will continue with a hand when there is an overcard and be hopelessly crushed unless they hit a set. Also, this comes up a lot since pocket pairs have huge value if you hit the hidden set, but when they are only mid pair, you still have to play the hand.
For limit, use this to your advantage in blind steal/defense or HU. If you hit a top pair hand with no obvious draws, be passive against an aggressor. For example (removing draws), a QQ hand looks great pf, but after hitting a K,rag, rag board he may think he is ahead, but if you have K,x, he is statistically crushed. Also, if you are looking to loosen up, try calling more A,xs hands, K,9s or even A,9o if it is over villans range. If you hit top pair against an aggressor, let him bet away his chips. For your pocket pairs, if there is an overcard flop, take a more passive line or fold. Unless you have stellar notes you will save more money this way than you will win by trying to soulread your opponent on a lower pocket pair, mid pair or low pair.
Hope this helps.
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flopmonkey
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12-15-2008, 01:12 PM
Post subject: Re: Observations from NL that can help limit players
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3-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Ltrain
Hi guys, how are the limit tables going? I used to play 3/6 shorthanded LHE until the 2006 Gaming Act, but after that game selection became tough so I switched to mostly NL. I do miss the passive shorthanded limit tables though.
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What did the 2006 gaming act change about LHE?
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sinky
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12-15-2008, 06:13 PM
Post subject: Re: Observations from NL that can help limit players
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Flush
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Originally Posted by flopmonkey
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Originally Posted by Ltrain
Hi guys, how are the limit tables going? I used to play 3/6 shorthanded LHE until the 2006 Gaming Act, but after that game selection became tough so I switched to mostly NL. I do miss the passive shorthanded limit tables though.
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What did the 2006 gaming act change about LHE? |
Like he said, game selection. No Americans on Crypto, Party etc. Once you get to 2/4 and up there are very few sites that offer more than 3 or 4 full tables. Pokerstars, Fulltilt, Ipoker, that's about it realy.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
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Ltrain, i thank you for coming back in and offering this small tip (well, not small in the scope of what it can do).
flopmonkey, what he is saying will help you tremendously in light of recent discussions.
and, L, the way i am interpreting what you are saying is to take more of a WA/WB line with mid pairs and weak-kickered TP hands against aggressive villains? hope you come back and clarify this a bit because if i am on the right track, i have some follow up questions with lines i am working on myself.
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Ltrain
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Originally Posted by Chopper
Ltrain, i thank you for coming back in and offering this small tip (well, not small in the scope of what it can do).
flopmonkey, what he is saying will help you tremendously in light of recent discussions.
and, L, the way i am interpreting what you are saying is to take more of a WA/WB line with mid pairs and weak-kickered TP hands against aggressive villains? hope you come back and clarify this a bit because if i am on the right track, i have some follow up questions with lines i am working on myself.
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Yes, if you flop top pair with no obvious draws against a c-better, be passive and let him continue barrelling. One bet/call on every street would be ideal.
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"Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and have his shoes." - Anon.
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Ltrain
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Example:
3 handed; Hero holds A,9s, opens from the Button, Villan in BB 3bets, Hero Calls.
Flop A, rag, rag. BB c-bets, Hero calls. Turn rag. BB bets, Hero calls. River rag. BB bets, Hero calls. BB mucks K,K.
In most micro stakes and even low stakes, BB will be thinking, hell, he could have any mid pair, etc. we are playing shorthanded. I HAVE KINGS! In reality, he is crushed to approx. two outs most of the time and would have more outs statistically if, for example, he was jamming a draw post flop, but he can't help himself: HE HAS KINGS AND IT LOOKS SEXY!.
If BB checks at any point, add a bet. If he checkraises, consider reads but lean to folding.
This situation comes up often. Don't be the villian, think like the Hero.
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"Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and have his shoes." - Anon.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
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lately this is EXACTLY what i've been doing. against more aggro players, it works like a champ.
however, the variance kills me, too, at times. i dont like them barreling QTs into me with my weak A and catching their kicker on the river...lol. but, at least this also minimizes that damage.
its just so likely that a "bluffy" player will barrel off his whiffed AK when you hold the Q8s on a Q X X board, but will fold when you pop him with the raise.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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MrPocketSevens
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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I really enjoy reading the advice ... i guess i lose some bets in that spot. Many times with the A9 that you used as an example I would raise on the flop and bet the turn probably missing value on the hand because he would fold. Sometimes being a calling station pays off  Let the agressor do the betting for you 
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by MrPocketSevens
I really enjoy reading the advice ... i guess i lose some bets in that spot. Many times with the A9 that you used as an example I would raise on the flop and bet the turn probably missing value on the hand because he would fold. Sometimes being a calling station pays off Let the agressor do the betting for you |
you and i could definitely talk. i like the LAGgy style, but cant quite play that way. besides, all over the place, you hear "aggression wins" preached.
i dont necessarily agree.
dont get me wrong. i am far from a passive player. but, i think there are thousands of spots where "passive" is more valuable, as well as, deceitful. just another way to keep 'em guessin'.
like i've said, the trick is knowing which spot is better for which style. and, that varies from hand to hand, much less session to session. if we keep playing only the one style, even if it works well, i think it leads to predictability.
nothing pisses me off more than a LAG that calls my shit down...or a station that bluffs me off with rags.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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