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Old 09-10-2007, 06:22 PM     Post subject: O8 microstakes to stick or fold? #1 (permalink)  
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sorry, having trouble with the converter remembering who the hell i am...

somehow it kind of "gelled" for me today pre-flop, which allowed me to think a bit more about how far to take hands, and when to dump them. i won a good bit of biggies, with a couple scoops in there, but here are a couple that made me scratch my head...only because of the results i would have seen for one more bet on the river.

PokerStars Game #11979682357: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($0.02/$0.04) - 2007/09/10 - 13:35:36 (ET)
Table 'Russia II' 10-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Maik X23 ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 2: killzone123 ($0.47 in chips)
Seat 5: bikerdoro ($0.39 in chips)
Seat 6: juice218 ($0.35 in chips)
Seat 7: pfsbulldawg ($1.98 in chips)
Seat 8: lil julio ($0.35 in chips)
Seat 9: porterww ($0.18 in chips)
Seat 10: andromeda07 ($0.56 in chips)
bikerdoro: posts small blind $0.01
juice218: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pfsbulldawg [6h Kd 2h Ad]
pfsbulldawg: calls $0.02
lil julio: folds
porterww: calls $0.02
andromeda07: folds
Maik X23: calls $0.02
killzone123: calls $0.02
bikerdoro: calls $0.01
juice218: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc Js 3c]
bikerdoro: checks
juice218: checks
pfsbulldawg: checks
porterww: checks
Maik X23: checks
killzone123: bets $0.02
bikerdoro: folds
juice218: calls $0.02
pfsbulldawg: calls $0.02
porterww: calls $0.02
Maik X23: calls $0.02
*** TURN *** [Qc Js 3c] [8c]
juice218: checks
pfsbulldawg: checks
porterww: checks
Maik X23: checks
killzone123: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qc Js 3c 8c] [2d]
juice218: checks
pfsbulldawg: checks
porterww: checks
Maik X23: checks
killzone123: bets $0.04
juice218: calls $0.04
pfsbulldawg: folds
porterww: calls $0.04
Maik X23: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
killzone123: shows [Jh Kc 5h Jd] (HI: three of a kind, Jacks)
juice218: shows [Td 6s 9s 5s] (HI: a straight, Eight to Queen; LO: 8,6,5,3,2)
porterww: shows [4c Kh 5c 7c] (HI: a flush, Queen high; LO: 8,5,4,3,2)
porterww collected $0.17 from pot
porterww collected $0.16 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.34 | Rake $0.01
Board [Qc Js 3c 8c 2d]
Seat 1: Maik X23 folded on the River
Seat 2: killzone123 (button) showed [Jh Kc 5h Jd] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 5: bikerdoro (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: juice218 (big blind) showed [Td 6s 9s 5s] and lost with HI: a straight, Eight to Queen; LO: 8,6,5,3,2
Seat 7: pfsbulldawg folded on the River
Seat 8: lil julio folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: porterww showed [4c Kh 5c 7c] and won ($0.33) with HI: a flush, Queen high; LO: 8,5,4,3,2
Seat 10: andromeda07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

i felt once the 2 came, i had no realistic shot at the low, but did i hit the flop hard enough to even continue? what about as played...should i have called the river with a 2nd best low? this is where i have a spot of trouble with board reading...this appears to look like its easily beat, but for another .04, i could have had the low. that feels like it was more luck than a hand where i should have stuck around for the river?


how bout this one?

PokerStars Game #11980475107: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($0.02/$0.04) - 2007/09/10 - 14:24:00 (ET)
Table 'Juliet' 10-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: leafs fan 68 ($0.44 in chips)
Seat 2: Areveola ($2.54 in chips)
Seat 4: pixie04 ($0.64 in chips)
Seat 5: raisetime ($1.27 in chips)
Seat 6: smthballer ($0.70 in chips)
Seat 7: 15thTXCav ($1.25 in chips)
Seat 8: 55_presto ($0.65 in chips)
Seat 9: pfsbulldawg ($2.37 in chips)
55_presto: posts small blind $0.01
pfsbulldawg: posts big blind $0.02
Humppasonni: sits out
ArtySpooner: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pfsbulldawg [As Ts 4c 2h]
leafs fan 68: calls $0.02
Areveola: folds
pixie04: calls $0.02
raisetime: folds
smthballer: folds
15thTXCav: calls $0.02
55_presto: calls $0.01
pfsbulldawg: raises $0.02 to $0.04
leafs fan 68: calls $0.02
pixie04: calls $0.02
15thTXCav: calls $0.02
55_presto: calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [Qd 2d 7d]
55_presto: checks
pfsbulldawg: checks
leafs fan 68: checks
pixie04: checks
15thTXCav: checks
*** TURN *** [Qd 2d 7d] [6s]
55_presto: checks
pfsbulldawg: checks
leafs fan 68: bets $0.04
pixie04: calls $0.04
15thTXCav: folds
55_presto: folds
pfsbulldawg: calls $0.04
*** RIVER *** [Qd 2d 7d 6s] [Ad]
pfsbulldawg: checks
leafs fan 68: bets $0.04
pixie04: calls $0.04
pfsbulldawg: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
leafs fan 68: shows [4d 8c 7c 8d] (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 7,6,4,2,A)
pixie04: mucks hand
leafs fan 68 collected $0.20 from pot
leafs fan 68 collected $0.19 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.40 | Rake $0.01
Board [Qd 2d 7d 6s Ad]
Seat 1: leafs fan 68 showed [4d 8c 7c 8d] and won ($0.39) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 7,6,4,2,A
Seat 2: Areveola folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: pixie04 mucked [5c Ac Jd 8s]
Seat 5: raisetime folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: smthballer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 15thTXCav (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: 55_presto (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: pfsbulldawg (big blind) folded on the River

was this a horrible river fold? my HI was trashed, and my Lo looked good until the A drops, then it was way to easy for any of these guys to have any 3. i know its bad to get quartered (which i wouldve done with the Lo), but thats gotta be better than dumping a hand on the river that i could have at least gotten a little back off of, right?

heres a scoop i was surprised by, but thought i played pretty well (knowing when to stop, but not fold)...

PokerStars Game #11980659888: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($0.02/$0.04) - 2007/09/10 - 14:34:13 (ET)
Table 'Tabit V' 10-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: gabi little ($0.52 in chips)
Seat 2: CarmenEve ($0.52 in chips)
Seat 4: HOLLYBUG ($0.44 in chips)
Seat 5: GrissomDad ($2.23 in chips)
Seat 6: TurkeyTail ($6.43 in chips)
Seat 7: Blackbeard45 ($0.61 in chips)
Seat 8: Lincoln2 ($1.23 in chips)
Seat 9: pfsbulldawg ($2.86 in chips)
Seat 10: SwimFan75 ($0.66 in chips)
TurkeyTail: posts small blind $0.01
Blackbeard45: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pfsbulldawg [Ah As 4h 7d]
TurkeyTail said, "vnh"
Lincoln2: folds
pfsbulldawg: raises $0.02 to $0.04
CarmenEve said, "ty thought you had the same one"
SwimFan75: calls $0.04
TurkeyTail said, "35 was my low draw"
gabi little: calls $0.04
CarmenEve said, "until you folded"
CarmenEve: calls $0.04
HOLLYBUG: folds
GrissomDad: folds
TurkeyTail said, "hehe"
CarmenEve said, "=]"
TurkeyTail: folds
Blackbeard45: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc 6d 5s]
pfsbulldawg: bets $0.02
SwimFan75: calls $0.02
gabi little: calls $0.02
CarmenEve: calls $0.02
*** TURN *** [Tc 6d 5s] [Kh]
pfsbulldawg: bets $0.04
SwimFan75: calls $0.04
gabi little: calls $0.04
CarmenEve: folds
*** RIVER *** [Tc 6d 5s Kh] [3h]
TurkeyTail said, "my set of k didn't look good against the hearts and wheel"
pfsbulldawg: bets $0.04
SwimFan75: folds
gabi little: raises $0.04 to $0.08
SwimFan75 leaves the table
pfsbulldawg: calls $0.04
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gabi little: shows [4c Jc Th 2s] (HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 6,5,4,3,2)
pfsbulldawg: shows [Ah As 4h 7d] (HI: a straight, Three to Seven; LO: 6,5,4,3,A)
pfsbulldawg collected $0.27 from pot
pfsbulldawg collected $0.26 from pot
CarmenEve said, "=]"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.55 | Rake $0.02
Board [Tc 6d 5s Kh 3h]
Seat 1: gabi little showed [4c Jc Th 2s] and lost with HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 6,5,4,3,2
Seat 2: CarmenEve folded on the Turn
Seat 4: HOLLYBUG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: GrissomDad (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: TurkeyTail (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Blackbeard45 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Lincoln2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: pfsbulldawg showed [Ah As 4h 7d] and won ($0.53) with HI: a straight, Three to Seven; LO: 6,5,4,3,A
Seat 10: SwimFan75 folded on the River
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:50 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 you should be 3betting the river in the last hand
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:23 AM #3 (permalink)  
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ty. i assume the rest were ok?

spenda, about the av....love gulbis. btw, it seems some chick golfers are gaining some "undulation." good to see in places other than the greens. however, no one can replace jan stephenson, to me. at least, not yet.
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:49 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 I would love to comment but I've never played limit (on purpose). I feel like it's a completely different game
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:21 AM #5 (permalink)  
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it is, and its not (coming from HE). the fundamentals are basically the same, but the nuances can be totally different...not that you didnt already know that.

for me, its just an easy way to watch action for cheap, while i try to study the game...and jump in a little bit. i can carry hands too far and still not get punished nearly as bad. thats the real learning for me.
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:59 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 Even at micro stakes you're missing a huge component of the game by playing limit. You're rarely going to bluff a pot, or more importantly punish someone who plays shitty hands.

Have you played Omaha? I think it's easier to pick up and I was shocked at how transparent some players make their hand. Either way, bite the bullet and risk 3-4 buy-ins. Buy-in short to start if you want.

addition:
you seem like an intelligent person and a thinking poker player. Just playing tight and being able to pick spots to push people off pots, and value betting weak hands into a calling station is enough to break even at a new game at micro stakes.
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:40 AM #7 (permalink)  
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the hard thing for me to see at limit is that when they "turn on the gas," they have the nut Lo or nut Hi...i dont care how stupid the Hi is, they got it. hard to believe sometimes.

may try PL, i feel i have a decent grasp on the flow, but if i lose $1000, it should be on your head, swigg.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:13 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 if you go on a 40 buy-in downswing I will be happy to take some blame
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Old 09-12-2007, 02:28 AM #9 (permalink)  
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lol. i'd jump off the bridge before it got that bad.
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