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Hand 1 6 37.50%
Hand 2 10 62.50%
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Old 11-14-2004, 04:15 PM     Post subject: Which nut flush lost? #1 (permalink)  
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These are two nut flushes I had during a session. Which one lost?

After looking at the results of these in PokerTracker (sorry to offend the PT haters), I realized that if I played all of my nut flushes as strong as possible on paired boards I would probably come out ahead... I have been slowing down somewhat on boards paired with big cards.

Hand 1

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Lonnie is SB with A, 6.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, Lonnie completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 3, 8, Q (7 players)
Lonnie bets, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, CO raises, Lonnie calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) Q (4 players)
Lonnie bets, UTG+2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls.

River: (10.50 BB) T (3 players)
Lonnie bets, UTG+2 raises, CO folds, Lonnie calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB
Main Pot: 14.50 BB, between Lonnie and UTG+2.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Hand 2

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Lonnie is MP1 with 7, A.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Lonnie calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) K, T, 8 (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Lonnie calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8 (3 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Lonnie raises, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Lonnie raises, SB 3-bets, Lonnie calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB
Main Pot: 16.50 BB, between SB and Lonnie.
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Old 11-14-2004, 04:45 PM #2 (permalink)  
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2nd one lost, 1st one won
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Old 11-14-2004, 04:50 PM #3 (permalink)  
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i say 1st hand lost! 2nd hand won!
 
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Old 11-14-2004, 05:11 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I say they both tied. Just to be different.

(and yes, I realize that a split pot is not a possibility)
I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
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Old 11-14-2004, 05:32 PM #5 (permalink)  
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It could really go either way, but from what I can tell by betting the second one lost? I might be completely wrong I don’t know...
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Old 11-14-2004, 07:31 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I think that SB in the 2nd hand had like 78os and got his boat on the river.
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Old 11-14-2004, 07:36 PM #7 (permalink)  
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1st one won!!
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Old 11-14-2004, 09:45 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I say that you lost the 2nd one... I think so because he bet so he might have made a two pair... On the turn he completed a full house and won. Not sure!
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Hand 2 lost!!
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Old 11-16-2004, 09:53 PM #10 (permalink)  
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well i guess since i'm the underdog i'll explain my reasoning why i think lonnie lost in hand 1.

UTG+2 first limps in with a PP, which he should. i'm guessing either the 8 or 3 hit them. lonnie bets to build a big pot. CO raises, possibly AQ or A8 something like that. UTG+2 is happy, so he just calls, hoping to suck in more bets later...maybe he's passive and afraid of the flush as well.

the queen comes, pairs the board. UTG+2 is happy, cuz he's pretty much guranteed to win, except against an unlikely QQ because those ppl would raised preflop. he smooth calls hope for people with a lone A or K to hit their flush. river, no help, no more screwing around, he knows lonnie will call for one more bet. so he raises, knowing that he will win more money if he raises than calling.

for hand 2...UTG bets, possibly as a bluff, or maybe a marginal hand like AT. lonnie smooth calls, hoping for overcalls. the turn comes, and the SB wakes up and bets because they hit their trips. UTG calls, so maybe he has a gut shot? the river comes, and no queen, so no straight. SB bets again for value. lonnie raises, SB reraises...i don't know why, maybe he thinks lonnie is bullshitting...anywho, lonnie calls and takes it down

the biggest give away for me was the SB betting out. the flop raiser was after him, so he could easily check raise the turn and tap people for more bets to maximize his winnings.
 
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Old 11-19-2004, 02:20 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Old 11-25-2004, 03:44 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Was waiting for the converter to come back online and forgot to do this:

Hand 1 lost. It's more dangerous for the board to pair with big cards, since these are the cards your opps are more likely to play preflop.

Hand 1

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Lonnie is SB with A, 6.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, Lonnie completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 3, 8, Q (7 players)
Lonnie bets, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, CO raises, Lonnie calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) Q (4 players)
Lonnie bets, UTG+2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls.

River: (10.50 BB) T (3 players)
Lonnie bets, UTG+2 raises, CO folds, Lonnie calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB
Main Pot: 14.50 BB, between Lonnie and UTG+2. > Pot won by UTG+2 (14.50 BB).

Results in white below:
Lonnie has Ac 6c (flush, ace high).
UTG+2 has Th Tc (full house, tens full of queens).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 14.50 BB.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Hand 2

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Lonnie is MP1 with 7, A.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Lonnie calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) K, T, 8 (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Lonnie calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8 (3 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, Lonnie raises, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Lonnie raises, SB 3-bets, Lonnie calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB
Main Pot: 16.50 BB, between SB and Lonnie. > Pot won by Lonnie (16.50 BB).

Results in white below:
SB has 6c 9c (straight, ten high).
Lonnie has 7h Ah (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Lonnie wins 16.50 BB.
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