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09-09-2004, 03:15 AM Post subject: Nothing to see here

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To respect Fnord, and to help myself out in some limit hands, I will post a few hand histories without the results.

This is all from the same session of limit holdem. I'm sitting in and not still 100% with my game.

Hand 1
PokerStars Game #677199615: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2004/09/08 - 20:49:19 (ET)
Table 'T #6653102' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: hawk2 ($11.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Humphrind ($8.15 in chips)
Seat 3: TheGizzo ($0.75 in chips)
Seat 4: PLAGUE ($8.60 in chips)
Seat 5: haoa ($5 in chips)
Seat 7: aprilmay ($5 in chips)
Seat 8: Corbu ($9.40 in chips)
Seat 9: mixalias ($19.60 in chips)
TheGizzo: posts small blind $0.10
PLAGUE: posts big blind $0.25
haoa: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Humphrind [9s 9h]
haoa: raises $0.25 to $0.50
aprilmay: folds
Corbu: calls $0.50
mixalias: folds
hawk2: folds
Humphrind: calls $0.50
TheGizzo: raises $0.25 to $0.75 and is all-in
PLAGUE: calls $0.50
haoa: calls $0.25
Corbu: calls $0.25
Humphrind: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [8s 7h 5s]
PLAGUE: checks
haoa: checks
Corbu: checks
Humphrind: bets $0.25
PLAGUE: calls $0.25
haoa: calls $0.25
Corbu: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [8s 7h 5s] [8d]
PLAGUE: checks
haoa: checks
Corbu: checks
Humphrind: checks
*** RIVER *** [8s 7h 5s 8d] [3c]
PLAGUE: checks
haoa: checks
Corbu: checks
Luckywon has returned
Humphrind: bets $0.50
PLAGUE: folds
haoa: folds
Corbu: calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN***
???

Hand 2
PokerStars Game #677205774: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2004/09/08 - 20:51:31 (ET)
Table 'T #6653102' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: hawk2 ($11.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Humphrind ($11.40 in chips)
Seat 4: PLAGUE ($7.60 in chips)
Seat 5: haoa ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Luckywon ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 7: aprilmay ($5 in chips)
Seat 8: Corbu ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 9: mixalias ($19.10 in chips)
Luckywon: posts small blind $0.10
aprilmay: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Humphrind [Kc Jd]
Corbu: folds
mixalias: raises $0.25 to $0.50
hawk2: folds
Humphrind: calls $0.50
PLAGUE: folds
haoa: calls $0.50
Luckywon: folds
aprilmay: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [6d 9h 6s]
aprilmay: checks
mixalias: checks
Humphrind: checks
haoa: checks
*** TURN *** [6d 9h 6s] [Kd]
aprilmay: checks
mixalias: bets $0.50
Humphrind: ???

These aren't hands to talk about. I just want to keep the results a secret so you can better see how they were played. Tell me if I raised when I shouldn't have, called when I shouldn't have, etc. I'm good at the holdem part, but the limit part is hurting me. I am just trying to find where I am good and where I am bad.

BTW - I've finally found a limit game that is cheap enough that I can afford to get in without risking too much, but it solid enough that I can get "real" limit experience from it.

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Fnord

09-09-2004, 03:33 AM

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Interesting hands...

Hand 1:
pre-flop: Close. At a loose table if you expect weird raises and other cold-callers it's fine.
Flop: Fine
Turn: Bet, fold to a raise. Free cards bad.
River: Fine. If I bet the turn I might be more inclined to check behind if a worse card came on the river.

Hand 2:
pre-flop: Horrible, don't cold call a raise with KJo.
flop: Maybe bet and hope the button folds so you can check the turn. It's a big enough pot to make a move.
turn: Mixed feelings about calling vs raising. If mixalias is likely to bet the river, I might wait for the river to raise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Humphrind

09-09-2004, 03:50 AM

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I'm trying to pick up the ins and outs of limit. In limit you raise for value more than NL. You can rarely bluff, even with bigger limits, but obviously not with small limits like this.

On hand 1 I needed another 9 to feel comfortable betting. My overpair was a good thing, and I bet it on the flop. This gave me 2 things. 1 a slight read on who had hands. 2, a free card if I needed it on the turn.

Hand 2. I again have to remind you that I am a NL player. So playing hands like KJo from late position don't seem that bad when I can potentially see the turn / river pretty cheap. I wouldn't play this hand in a raised pot in NL, but limit I wanted to see where it would take me. I have the discipline to fold if needed. I'm only trying to improve, and I have the holdem knowledge to know what is 2nd best. But a bigger (maybe the biggest) factor in playing this was I almost disregarded mixalias' raise because he did only 2 things pre-flop, raise or fold, then played very weak post flop.

BTW - I'm doing more than posting hand histories to get better at limit. I have finally gotten my hands on Sklansky's Holdem for Advanced players. I borrowed it from a friend and started reading it just last night. It talkes mostly about limit, so I am sure to pick up a thing or two from that.

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Whatever it is...
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Fnord

09-09-2004, 04:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Humphrind

On hand 1 I needed another 9 to feel comfortable betting. My overpair was a good thing, and I bet it on the flop. This gave me 2 things. 1 a slight read on who had hands. 2, a free card if I needed it on the turn.

With an overpair of 9s and no aggression shown, you must assume your hand is good and bet the turn.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humphrind

Hand 2. I again have to remind you that I am a NL player. So playing hands like KJo from late position don't seem that bad when I can potentially see the turn / river pretty cheap. I wouldn't play this hand in a raised pot in NL, but limit I wanted to see where it would take me.

KJo isn't an implied odds hand and 2SB isn't a cheap flop relative to future betting rounds. Against a raise you're almost always a dog. Limit is all about small edges.

Anyway... post flop I thought about it some more. Call the turn, call the river, but bet if checked to. You're not worried about 2 pair with the 6s on the board so there is little reason to knock anyone else out and it would already to incorrect to call 1BB with 4ish outs so you welcome overcalls. You have serious kicker concerns and if he's spewing chips with a med pocket pair you don't want to slow him down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Humphrind

09-09-2004, 04:08 AM

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Well, here are the "answers" to these.

Hand 1
Humphrind: shows [9s 9h] (two pair, Nines and Eights)
Corbu: mucks hand
Humphrind collected $1.75 from side pot
TheGizzo: mucks hand
Humphrind collected $3.75 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.75 Main pot $3.75. Side pot $1.75. | Rake $0.25
Board [8s 7h 5s 8d 3c]
Seat 1: hawk2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Humphrind (button) showed [9s 9h] and won ($5.50) with two pair, Nines and Eights
Seat 3: TheGizzo (small blind) mucked [Qd Kh] - a pair of Eights
Seat 4: PLAGUE (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: haoa folded on the River
Seat 7: aprilmay folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Corbu mucked [Ad Jd] - a pair of Eights
Seat 9: mixalias folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Hand 2
aprilmay: checks
mixalias: bets $0.50
Humphrind: raises $0.50 to $1
haoa: folds
aprilmay: folds
mixalias: folds
Humphrind collected $3.10 from pot
Humphrind: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.10 | Rake $0
Board [6d 9h 6s Kd]
Seat 1: hawk2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Humphrind collected ($3.10)
Seat 4: PLAGUE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: haoa (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Luckywon (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: aprilmay (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: Corbu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mixalias folded on the Turn

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

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