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littleogre
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11-13-2007, 07:43 AM
Post subject: Not sure if this will be news to you guys or not but ...
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One pair is apparantly not good enough in low stakes limit. Not sure if it is from carrying under pairs to far or exactly what the problem is but pt says i am an over all looser in hands where i make just a pair.
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littleogre
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To be clear i'm not talking about pairs under the filter section. I am talking about pairs under the misc tab.
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Jibalob
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This does not just apply to small stakes
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pokerfanatic
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did you filter out the hands that you folded? "Show only hands that were not folded"
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littleogre
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Originally Posted by pokerfanatic
did you filter out the hands that you folded? "Show only hands that were not folded"
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can we even filter from the misc tab ?
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arborman
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Hmm, I show a fairly big profit for pocket pairs, but I tend to dump them postflop unless I have a reason not to.
Pairing with the board is less valuable - the pots you do win tend to be smaller, but I show a bit of a profit there too. Maybe you are overplaying your pairs, especially middle or bottom pairs?
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littleogre
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Originally Posted by arborman
Hmm, I show a fairly big profit for pocket pairs, but I tend to dump them postflop unless I have a reason not to.
Pairing with the board is less valuable - the pots you do win tend to be smaller, but I show a bit of a profit there too. Maybe you are overplaying your pairs, especially middle or bottom pairs?
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Actually i also show a profit with pockets but i think i may have confussed some people. Please go to ring stats then click the misc tab at the top of the screen.
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KoRnholio
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Originally Posted by littleogre
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Originally Posted by arborman
Hmm, I show a fairly big profit for pocket pairs, but I tend to dump them postflop unless I have a reason not to.
Pairing with the board is less valuable - the pots you do win tend to be smaller, but I show a bit of a profit there too. Maybe you are overplaying your pairs, especially middle or bottom pairs?
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Actually i also show a profit with pockets but i think i may have confussed some people. Please go to ring stats then click the misc tab at the top of the screen. |
That thing is more or less useless. When it says you are losing money with "1 pair hands", I am pretty sure that includes any hands where the flop came like 955 and you folded. Or times when you flopped bottom pair and folded. Someone correct me if I am wrong please.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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Hermann the Lombard
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I don't know any way to filter for "top pair on the flop, board not paired." I think that's what you need to evaluate the one pair hands. Otherwise I suppose it's the "Final Hand" column coupled with whether or not you're the winner. Even that doesn't reflect whether you're positive or negative, just the percentage of wins.
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Oh, no! Not another learning experience!
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KoRnholio
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Originally Posted by Hermann the Lombard
I don't know any way to filter for "top pair on the flop, board not paired." I think that's what you need to evaluate the one pair hands. Otherwise I suppose it's the "Final Hand" column coupled with whether or not you're the winner. Even that doesn't reflect whether you're positive or negative, just the percentage of wins.
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I think the only useful way to look at "1 pair hands" is to look at how your 1 pair hands did at showdown. If the board is paired or you flop a garbage pair and fold, "losing" the 1-2 bets you have put in before folding isn't that informative.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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DrivingDog
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I'm also a bit befuddled by this stat, or more specifcally, PokerTracker. If i go to that table in the Misc folder, checking the box "show only hands that went to SD" makes absolutely no difference to the numbers in the table. Am i missing something?
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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
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pokerfanatic
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no the only filter on the misc tab is the one i just said... it's a little check box... for example you have J2o and you folded it PF but the flop was Jxx if you don't filter that ot of the range you are likely to show a loss for all pairs and high cards...
so once you have filtered out hands that you have folded preflop and would have hit something hen you can get more a realistic feel for the numbers...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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DrivingDog
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What i'm saying is the 'known final hand summary' looks exactly the same whether i check the 'show only hands not folded' or not.
checkign the box does nothing.
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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).
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sinky
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mine does
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littleogre
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Off topic but i can't wait for pt3. Gonna be awesome as the inclusion of 3 bet stats will be worth the 50 bucks alone.
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pokerfanatic
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Originally Posted by littleogre
Off topic but i can't wait for pt3. Gonna be awesome as the inclusion of 3 bet stats will be worth the 50 bucks alone.
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are they actually going to make us re buy their software just because they made a new version? if so that's extremely shitty...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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arborman
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Originally Posted by pokerfanatic
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Originally Posted by littleogre
Off topic but i can't wait for pt3. Gonna be awesome as the inclusion of 3 bet stats will be worth the 50 bucks alone.
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are they actually going to make us re buy their software just because they made a new version? if so that's extremely shitty... |
My understanding is that the price for the new software will be dependent on how long you've had the old version. If you just bought it, PT3 will be fairly cheap. If you bought it two years ago (and have got that much use and profit out of it), it will be more expensive.
That seems fair to me. It's not like any other software developer doesn't charge for new versions of their product. And you won't be forced to upgrade - PT2 works very well already, as we all know.
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