Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I would definately raise preflop here and raise the flop as well. I want whatever shitty low draw and flush/gutshot to pay here. If you are reraised I would slowdown and possibly think about folding if a low card comes. On the river you should bet as well. You are more than likely the best high hand here and you might be able to fold a low hand and get calls from worse highs.

It also depends on your reads here. Are these guys donks at O8? If you're playing in the HORSE game on stars, chances are they're not THAT bad at O8. Also, by raising preflop you actually make your hand a lot easier to play.

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Virtually all starting hands are speculative in this game, so I don't raise preflop very often. To give you an idea of what I mean, check out this matchup:

Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
3s Ad Th 2h 217625 217625 282260 115 279409 0 0 0.567
Kd Qd Jh 3h 151028 282260 217625 115 0 0 0 0.433

My hand is a coinflip against complete trash. So, since there is no real preflop edge to exploit, I prefer to limp and see a flop. Also, I am hoping for multiway action by limping...

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Betting the river could mean the difference between getting 1/4 the pot to getting the entire pot. The most you can lose here is 1 BB, but the possible gain here is as much as 3-6 BB here. If you only get 1/2 pot when you bet, you definately don't lose value on a bet. In fact, since the rake is already maxed out, your bet can only gain value. Many times you'll get called by both opponents on the low draw with no high potential on the river, netting you an entire bet as they get quartered.

Originally Posted by zenbitz

If he raises pre-flop, and doesn't knock anyone out (expected), then villians are getting better odds to call flop raise and post flop hero's hand is not strong at all - top and bottom with no possible low.

How often is Aces & 2s good on the high end 4 way to the flop in Omaha?

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Think of how much you benefit if you can get another A2 to fold, or an obscure low draw to fold? By not raising you don't protect your hand at all.

If he raises preflop and doesn't knock anyone out, hero's raise here gives them the same odds as they get right now by calling, so the difference isn't that bad.

Originally Posted by dsaxton

You guys are suggesting that I check-raise the button? That is the only way I can raise.

Originally Posted by dsaxton

I posted this hand on 2+2 and the general concensus seems to be that I should play this hand cautiously so as to lose the minimum.

They recommend raising preflop, which I can see since my hand probably has enough multiway equity to justify this play. After the flop, my hand sucks.

Originally Posted by fnord

I think this is a pre-flop raise as the second guy in if you think the limper sucks. For immediate value and to force the blinds to drop or put in more money with trash hands.

Post-flop I don't like the turn bet. You have a weak made hand hitting the Ace Deuce (everyone is playing A2) with no draws to improve and no possible low .

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Do you play much Omaha dsaxton or no? Wondering why you're in the 5/10 game if you are just starting out.

Originally Posted by dsaxton

It's not an Omaha game. It's a HORSE game. I'm not sure what this has to do with the play of the hand.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Well, not sure if you're aware, but in this hand you're playing Omaha.