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02-10-2005, 04:26 PM
Post subject: No-limit to Limit switch - Helpful advice?
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In the attempt to build my bankroll, I'll be trying bonus whoring this evening. I've got my $100 to plunk down, and I'm planning on going with .50/$1.00 Limit on Caribbean to start.
My normal game is .25/.50 NL on Pokeroom, in which I've had some success, having made it to $130 from $25 inintial buyin. However I'm still not well bankrolled even for that. In doing the whorig, I'm both going over to a Limit game, and moving up a level in antes. I'm nervous about doing this, but am going to take the shot.
I'll be reading all the Limit material I can, but I was wondering if anyone had any specific advice for someone moving over to Limit from NL, with the idea of playing at least break-even poker in mind?
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ilikeaces86
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dont do it
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
dont do it
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Agreed. Bankroll managment is key. More than you might think.
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
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okay jackass, but seriously....
Don't play outside your BR. Especially if you are new to the game. You could very easily lose your stack in a short amount of time. I would suggest you playing at least .25/.5 or lower until you get used to the game.
You need to buy/read Small Stakes Holdem.
You need to buy Poker Tracker.
You need to stay within your BR. Don't let your eyes get bigger than your mind can handle. Variance DOES happen.
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Somebody please eplain PokerTracker to me. I see it mentioned all the time but I have absolutely no clue WTF it is.
This is a serious question. Sorry for being such a dummy-head.
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
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okay jackass, but seriously....
Don't play outside your BR. Especially if you are new to the game. You could very easily lose your stack in a short amount of time. I would suggest you playing at least .25/.5 or lower until you get used to the game.
You need to buy/read Small Stakes Holdem.
You need to buy Poker Tracker.
You need to stay within your BR. Don't let your eyes get bigger than your mind can handle. Variance DOES happen. |
I've been playing NL Hold'em for two years, I'm not really a newbie. I'm trying to get a bankroll together so I can play comfortably at my .25/.50 game, as I've been underbankrolled for weeks. I'm not too bad. I'm just taking a shot at the newbie whoring advice on 2+2 that was sent to me.
I know of variance, but I feel there will be less variance once I can move up to .50/1.00 or 1/2. I get sucked out alot by the weakies and there is little raise respect at .25/.50. But there is no way I'm moving up into a game permanently if I'm not bankrolled properly..
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02-10-2005, 05:22 PM
Post subject: Re: No-limit to Limit switch - Helpful advice?
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Originally Posted by Crunch
In the attempt to build my bankroll, I'll be trying bonus whoring this evening. I've got my $100 to plunk down, and I'm planning on going with .50/$1.00 Limit on Caribbean to start.
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10 bad hands later your $100 could be mostly-gone. You need $300. Sorry. You do.
Map out your bonus whoring strategy -- on paper -- with the help of these friendly FTR folk. Then set aside a bit of paycheck to make the necessary deposits. Meanwhile, drive that pokerroom money up to $150, which is what you actually need to play their littlest game.
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Crunch
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The whoring suggestion that I was forwarded says to start at $100, which I've been building up to. I want to leave $30 on Pokeroom to keep building with. Perhaps I should wait to $150?
I've just been finding difficulty with playing tight, solid play against all these weakies....
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1 Bankroll is key. I like about 300 times the big blind for limit.
2 Variance exists more at higher limits. period. I play mostly $4/$8 limit and you would be amazed at how many lucky players suck out there. They aren't better players, they are players with more money.
3 Suited connectors are almost worthless in limit. You won't hit your hand often enough, and you can't protect it if you do. Play big cards. ALWAYS.
4 Don't worry about being blinded away when your buy in is >50BBs. Supertight play is always right. NEVER buy in for less than 20BBs. You won't have time to let your solid play work for you.
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
1 Bankroll is key. I like about 300 times the big blind for limit.
2 Variance exists more at higher limits. period. I play mostly $4/$8 limit and you would be amazed at how many lucky players suck out there. They aren't better players, they are players with more money.
3 Suited connectors are almost worthless in limit. You won't hit your hand often enough, and you can't protect it if you do. Play big cards. ALWAYS.
4 Don't worry about being blinded away when your buy in is >50BBs. Supertight play is always right. NEVER buy in for less than 20BBs. You won't have time to let your solid play work for you.
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Demi:
I agree whole-heartedly with your comments...except #3. This is a crazy generalization. In a full ring, these cards are your friends. You need to play them selectively, in LP, limper hands. They win HUGE pots, and are easy to fold if you miss. In contrast, I think sklansky level 2/3 big cards are tougher to play in EP than suited connectors are in late position...and can be less profitable if you don't know what you are doing. I've had trouble with these "big" cards in the past, and I'm learning to avoid them in EP.
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Great point Chi Kid.
You've got to play suited connectors in LP, if you don't you are throwing money away. They not only have the possibility for straights but also for flushs. When you flop mid pair you have great redraw value do to the backdoor straights/flushes and two pair. Knowing to call and when to fold is key.
You are also right about BIG cards in EP. Junk such as KJo in EP are useless, but with a field of limpers it can be played in LP (even without a field of limpers, its a good blind stealing hand).
Crunch:
LHE is all about discipline, you have to learn what hands are good to play where. I'm still fixing some leaks that I've carried on from the lower limits to where I'm at now (see link on raising KQo from EP). With experience, you'll become a situational poker player and will no longer rely on charts to determine your hands, but the situations that present themselves. Charts are used to help you out in the beginning; I used to be able to quote SSH's tight and Loose guides. I've forgot them by now, and just play situation.
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1 Bankroll is key. I like about 300 times the big blind for limit.
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Bankroll is key, you are correct. However you really need 300 Big Bets not 300 times the big blind.
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DO NOT SWITCH AND DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYTHING ELIPSESJEFF SAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!! HE DOESNT EVEN BONUS WHORE ANYMORE!!!!!!!! THAT TELLS U HOW SMART HE IS!!!!!!!!!!!! lol u know im just kiddin coderrulerz but seriously dude do not switch. I want to have ample pools of NL people to choose from when I play and it seems like a great mass of people only play limit now.
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great players go broke because they don't stay within their bankroll. variance happens to everyone.
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