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wufwugy
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03-13-2008, 02:23 AM
Post subject: No clue where I'm at
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Villains are stations. I cannot stand a raise and I have no clue how light valuing in PLO is generally.
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swiggidy
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Well one pair is basically never good on the big bet streets. It's real easy to put a 9T in someone's hand given the flop action. Sometimes I'll bet this flop, but when villains call too much it's a pretty easy check behind. Fold there facing that action is pretty standard.
I would recommend buying in for 60-80bb while you're wetting your feet. Your raise pre is good.
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wufwugy
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All right good to know checking flop isn't bad. Still folding if there's no turn caller? Basically, are bluffs that frequent?
And how does strategy change when buying in for 60-80bbs? It's a good idea, but I really have no clue how things change for me so I just try to imitate what I see on forums and in videos. Kinda the reason I never tried half-stacking in NLHE like Fnord thinks is so awesome. I knew I would be kinda lost pf, and thus thrown off my entire game.
In PLO, if at all, how are we changing our play if we're buying in for the amount you suggest?
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
All right good to know checking flop isn't bad. Still folding if there's no turn caller? Basically, are bluffs that frequent?
And how does strategy change when buying in for 60-80bbs? It's a good idea, but I really have no clue how things change for me so I just try to imitate what I see on forums and in videos. Kinda the reason I never tried half-stacking in NLHE like Fnord thinks is so awesome. I knew I would be kinda lost pf, and thus thrown off my entire game.
In PLO, if at all, how are we changing our play if we're buying in for the amount you suggest?
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Do a search for Omaha, there are some real good articles online which seem like they would help. I'm being lazy right now. One thing is that raising pre, then giving up on a missed flop is kind of standard. I'm just starting to learn what flops are good to cbet and which aren't. Also my site/limit is super calling station so I raise pre/cf flop all the time (but it's usually 4way).
60bb shouldn't change your strategy a lot. You can comfortably stack off with top 2 is the only major difference, and that's mostly because it's easier to get it all in. So maybe some more value for 3 broadway + 1 dangler hands. Often, I find the 20bb from being 100bb deep instead of 80bb deep don't do anything for me. It leaves akward bet sizes and if you run into stack off hands like set vs OESFD you're gamboling with more and increasing variance. Obv, if there are holdem players at the table who are stacking off with overpairs, etc, then I'm buying in full. I haven't thought much about stack sizing, but I need to. If you try some "raise 3bb after a limper, get 2 callers" stack analysis you'll probably discover 100bb isn't really ideal at all.
FYI, I'm at 25PLO BR building so you'll face more heat then me. Bluffing is more selective and less frequent than holdem. I def run into people who never bluff (except for cbetting). I've had some success inducing bluffs with teh stone cold nutz, but generally slowplaying isn't a great idea.
One hand you may not value pre, which plays huge is A+rundown suited, like Ad 9x 8d 7x. If you miss the flop, easy to get away. When you hit you can hit huge.
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wufwugy
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Thanks mane.
I also don't think that 100bb is 'optimal' but there's not much avoiding it since others buy in for that amount and we're not ratholers. 'Optimal' imo is max bi, be it 50bb or 500bb. With the way we play this game we're gonna be sitting with full stacks a lot so we better get good at it.
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Thanks mane.
I also don't think that 100bb is 'optimal' but there's not much avoiding it since others buy in for that amount and we're not ratholers. 'Optimal' imo is max bi, be it 50bb or 500bb. With the way we play this game we're gonna be sitting with full stacks a lot so we better get good at it.
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It's not ratholling because I don't leave. I end up playing 150bb deep a lot, which is fine with me.
I often see 3 villains with 60bb and 2 nitty regulars with 100bb. I'm always buying in for 60bb then.
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