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Old 02-08-2006, 08:47 PM     Post subject: Next Topic...Playing Overcards on the flop. #1 (permalink)  
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Alright, another area of limit that often confuses me is how to play overcards when they don't hit on the flop.

Ex:
Hero = AQs
Flop= 26Jx.

1. Hero as opener = R, w/3 callers and blinds fold. Flop hits, Hero?

2. Hero as MP after one caller, R and two behind call and opener calls. Flop hits...Checked to hero?

3. Hero as Button w/3 callers in front, facing a R. Hero Calls. Flop hits, original better R. 2 callers. Hero?


I'm trying to figure out how to play overs w/no other draws on the board in different situations. Lee Jones suggests only calling or betting w/AK in these positions, otherwise check folding w/any over pairs.

Also, please include on what to do if the turn hits another none draw card.

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Old 02-08-2006, 10:51 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 The situation for me is pretty similar in all instances. I'm a big fan to the c-bet and an even bigger fan for betting/raising for my free river card. If I don't get the free card, I give up and fold the turn.


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You generally play overcards as you would a draw: If the pot is large, then you can call down.

If the pot is smaller, then I prefer to do as Jeff says, to raise for the free cards/ free showdown.
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I don't understand the justification to raise for a free card with such a weak draw as 2 overcards, especially if you wouldn't raise on a gutshot draw to the nuts. You are just putting in extra bets on a draw to one pair. If there is a chance that you can win by raising the flop and betting the turn, then it may be justified, but to raise the flop with the intention of checking the turn unimproved doesn't make sense to me.
I play overcards exactly like what they are: A weak draw to top pair.
As far as continuation bets it depends a lot on your position, the texture of the flop and how many players are in the hand. I will continuation bet almost 100% of the time when checked to me HU, and approximately never if I raised from EP with something like KQo, got 3 callers and a 78T flop with 2 of a suit that I don't hold.
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 If your going to call the turn on a 6 outer, you might as well raise the flop and check the turn.


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It really depends on your overcards and the flop. I like to count overcards as 1.5 outs, about half their apparent value. If they're worth calling with, they're raising with, though, or betting with in last position. You want to protect them from other overcard hands that might have you dominated. Doing this, you scare away dominating overcard hands, buy a free card on the turn and occasionally win the pot outright. Here's an (admittedly very aggressive) example from earlier:

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Preflop: Silverfist is BB with J, 8. MP1 posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 (poster) checks, 3 folds, SB completes, Silverfist checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 2, 6, 7 (4 players)
SB bets, Silverfist raises, UTG folds, MP1 folds, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Silverfist checks.

River: (4 BB) J (2 players)
SB checks, Silverfist bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 5 BB

Usually, though, I just fold overcards in a tiny pot without anything to back them up. If I have a gutshot, a three-flush or a three-straight to go with them, that's usually enough to make them worth playing with. AK on its own is usually with playing on with in a moderate-sized pot, depending on the flop. Without a gutshot or backdoor, though, I'm probably out of there unless the pot is huge.

Be wary of draw heavy boards, though. They can give your opponents some serious redraws against you. If the board is particularly draw-heavy, I might count the overcards as one out each.
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IMO, that raise was pretty bad.
Yeah, in mine too. I wasn't paying attention there (don't read and play). In a bigger pot, though, it would have been a good idea. I just couldn't find an example.
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Ok, do you guys recommend calling a R w/over pairs as the button?
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Ok, do you guys recommend calling a R w/over pairs as the button?
Sorry, would you please rephrase that?
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In a 4-way pot, I'm considerably less aggro than Jeff in these spots.
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