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LockLow34
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06-06-2004, 10:32 PM
Post subject: Newbie here with a tale of his own
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This was the "hand of the night" in my 2/4 limit home game last night.
There were 6 players.
Preflop play was very loose (although I was playing tighter than most), sometimes just calling the blinds and sometimes with a single raise.
For this hand I was in the small blind with 77
player to my left, BB, raises pf about half the time but this time he just checked; player UTG limped; player to his left folds; CO limps; button limps; I complete.
Flop comes QQ3
Checked around to the button who bets. I don't put him on a Q but rather a 3. Thinking I have a better pair I call intending to see 4th street and bet out or check-raise. However, after the BB folds, player UTG calls (hmmm...is this our Q?) and the others fold.
Turn is a 7. Nice(!). I check, expecting the Q to bet. So...UTG bets, button raises, (2 queens?) I re-raise, UTG caps. At this point the button calls time to think. I'm sure he's stunned by the play in front of him and he considers his trips (it's obvious he has them) to be no good. He finally folds. I call the bet.
River is an A. Uh-oh. I think that if UTG has AQ, I'm in a world of hurt. But I can't slow down now with as big a pot as it is and the fact that UTG has to have a very specific hand to beat me. I bet, he raises, I re-raise, he re-raises, and I re-raise, and finally he just calls.
I turn my 77 up and ask, "you have queens full?" he just looks at me kinda stunned and shakes his head. He flashes his cards to one player then mucks them. I want to know what he had, and since it's a "show one show all" rule we get him to turn his hand up. He had 33 and thought I was playing a naked Q down to the river.
WOW.
I ask the guy on the button later what his hand was and he says KQ, but he's saavy so I'm not entirely sure he was being honest with me,especially if he had AQ or even AA. Both players seemed to go on tilt for awhile after that.
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Fnord
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06-06-2004, 11:01 PM
Post subject: Re: Newbie here with a tale of his own
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Originally Posted by LockLow34
Checked around to the button who bets. I don't put him on a Q but rather a 3. Thinking I have a better pair I call intending to see 4th street and bet out or check-raise. However, after the BB folds, player UTG calls (hmmm...is this our Q?) and the others fold.
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I would raise right there, however I might not have had the chance to spike that 7. Save the wait for the turn stuff for when you have a legit, very strong hand, otherwise that kind of thinking will cost you money.
It's cheaper to raise the flop and figure you're beat by a 3-bet or cold call than to wait for the turn.
You might take it down (with a weak hand) right there.
Any card higher than a 7 is going to look threatening on the turn, particulary if anyone else calls behind you.
You isolate the original better, killing the odds of players with 2 big cards from beating you on the turn.
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LockLow34
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06-07-2004, 04:12 PM
Post subject: Re: Newbie here with a tale of his own
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I would raise right there, however I might not have had the chance to spike that 7. Save the wait for the turn stuff for when you have a legit, very strong hand, otherwise that kind of thinking will cost you money.
It's cheaper to raise the flop and figure you're beat by a 3-bet or cold call than to wait for the turn.
You might take it down (with a weak hand) right there.
Any card higher than a 7 is going to look threatening on the turn, particulary if anyone else calls behind you.
You isolate the original better, killing the odds of players with 2 big cards from beating you on the turn.
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Having put him on the 3 you mean? I see what you're saying. If I check-raise there, only someone with a very strong hand can call or play back at me and I'll know where I'm at the rest of the hand.
Tell me, if you were in that situation and raised by the button, would you have folded or called the 3rd bet to see the turn? I'm not sure the odds would be correct to call the 3rd bet in that situation, hoping to spike a 7.
(also keep in mind this happened after I was going into my 45th hour with only about 3 hours of sleep)
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Fnord
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06-07-2004, 04:37 PM
Post subject: Re: Newbie here with a tale of his own
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Originally Posted by LockLow34
Tell me, if you were in that situation and raised by the button, would you have folded or called the 3rd bet to see the turn? I'm not sure the odds would be correct to call the 3rd bet in that situation, hoping to spike a 7.
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~1 in 20 shot of spiking your 7. So given that the pot was unraised pre-flop you won't have even implied pot odds on spiking your 7, so fold. However, if he thinks he's being tricky he might just flat call your check-raise with a Q or 33, allowing you to see the turn.
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Originally Posted by LockLow34
(also keep in mind this happened after I was going into my 45th hour with only about 3 hours of sleep)
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eeekk!
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Toasty
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If I had felt a similar read I would have gone for the CR on the turn too, as this also would make people believe you have a queen as this is when you would play it.
If you raise the flop you scream "I have no queen". If you are three-bet you can get out of the way, unless you hit a 7 like you did. This is the reason, the 33 dude was shocked, he knew that's how the queens would be played and he knew he could beat 3 queens with his FH (That's why he was shocked).
If you had raised the flop, he might have played diff as he wouldn't have put you on a queen, but knew you were checking to see if someone had them, when you go nuts on the turn he could put you on 66 as a likely hand. This is if he can think on the next level which it sounds like he could.
This is quite an interesting hand actually, and it is quite easy to see peoples hole cards once you think about it, It does point more towards AQ more than 33 though. If this was PP, people could easily turn over 73os for 2 pair 
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LockLow34
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Originally Posted by Toasty
This is quite an interesting hand actually, and it is quite easy to see peoples hole cards once you think about it, It does point more towards AQ more than 33 though.
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The one reason this wasn't likely the case is that the 33 was UTG and limped in. The table overall was loose, but UTG was the tightest of all of us, and most certainly would have raised with AQ.
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Originally Posted by Toasty
If this was PP, people could easily turn over 73os for 2 pair |
LOL Isn't that the truth!
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