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Thinker
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05-13-2005, 01:35 PM
Post subject: Need Input on this hand
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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 8 , 9.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checks.
Flop: (5.50 SB) 5 , 7, 4 (5 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.
Turn: (7.25 BB) T (4 players)
BB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.
River: (15.25 BB) 6 (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, BB calls, MP1 folds.
Final Pot: 18.25 BB
Results in white below:
MP2 has Kc 4c (one pair, fours).
Hero has 8s 9s (straight, ten high).
BB has 5c 7h (two pair, sevens and fives).
Outcome: Hero wins 18.25 BB.
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Room
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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3-bet the flop, take a free turn, raise the river. You can trap alot of people for an extra bet on the river and might get played back at. I don't like the turn raise.
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4-of-a-Kind
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i 3bet the flop, raise the turn, raise the river. it doesn't get much better than a open ended straight flush draw with 2 overcards...raise the turn for value.
the pot is too big for anyone to fold the river, raise that too.
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Thinker
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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I thought about 3-betting the flop ... but maybe it would attract to much attention, and would make it less profitable if i'd hit on the turn, still not sure what to do there.
The turn, with so many outs, and beeing the last one to act, betting there wouldnt make anyone fold, and i think i had the odds to do it.
About the river, i didnt want the 2 guys after me to fold, thats why i didnt raise, one of them folded anyway, so in this particular case it didnt work very well.
In this small limits, maybe a raise in the river was the right thing, MP2 betted the river with a pair of 4's ????
Amazing 
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Room
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Straight
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Originally Posted by Thinker
About the river, i didnt want the 2 guys after me to fold, thats why i didnt raise, one of them folded anyway, so in this particular case it didnt work very well.
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Don't go for overcalls with the nuts.
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Nehmer
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Decatur, IL
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Originally Posted by Room
3-bet the flop, take a free turn, raise the river. You can trap alot of people for an extra bet on the river and might get played back at. I don't like the turn raise.
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You absolutely have to raise this turn. You have an outside straight and a flush draw in a four handed pot. This is a monster hand and needs to be raised for value and to build a pot so people can't fold on the river when you hit.
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koolmoe
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2004
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Originally Posted by Thinker
I thought about 3-betting the flop ... but maybe it would attract to much attention, and would make it less profitable if i'd hit on the turn, still not sure what to do there.
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You have more than your fair share in pot equity. Raise for value. If someone folds, it might clean up your outs to the 8 or 9.
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Originally Posted by Thinker
The turn, with so many outs, and beeing the last one to act, betting there wouldnt make anyone fold, and i think i had the odds to do it.
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You still have plenty of pot equity with three opponents in the pot. Raise for value.
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Originally Posted by Thinker
About the river, i didnt want the 2 guys after me to fold, thats why i didnt raise, one of them folded anyway, so in this particular case it didnt work very well.
In this small limits, maybe a raise in the river was the right thing, MP2 betted the river with a pair of 4's ????
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An 8 or 3 might reraise, especially if you've been aggressive the whole way and they think they drew out on you. Take a chance at capping this river. Won't happen if you call. You'll lose an overcall bet some percentage of the time, but you'll make a couple of extra bets (or possibly more!) often enough to more than make up for it.
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Poker is freedom
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G_host
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Sweden
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You got to raise this river and maybe the flop too. But the river is more important to learn to raise.
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ChezJ
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Full House
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Originally Posted by Room
Don't go for overcalls with the nuts.
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what the heck are you talking about? this is exactly when you want to induce overcalls.
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chardrian
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I rarely,if ever, get pms
Join Date: Apr 2005
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I would raise flop.
Depending on how many are left, raise turn.
Definitely raise river.
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Room
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Straight
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Originally Posted by ChezJ
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Originally Posted by Room
Don't go for overcalls with the nuts.
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what the heck are you talking about? this is exactly when you want to induce overcalls. |
Why would you ever put in the least amount of money with you have the nuts? You have to raise this in case you get played back at. This is another reason I like the turn check - it disguises your hand more and your opponent will likely lead the river.
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Fnord
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I 3-bet this flop because I have the gutshot and 2 overs in addition to the weak flush draw.
I wouldn't raise the turn.
I would raise the river because I see too many horrible river cold-calls and 3-bets.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Room
Why would you ever put in the least amount of money with you have the nuts? You have to raise this in case you get played back at. This is another reason I like the turn call - your opponent will likely lead the river.
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The turn raise is really close. I'd rather draw cheap and have stronger implied odds by encouraging someone else to lead the river into me.
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