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Old 09-13-2004, 06:23 PM     Post subject: need help with raise at 7th st #1 (permalink)  
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this isn't an "i got outdrawn waaa waaa" post - the way my opponent played, i'll play with him anytime.

i had the better hand (visible on the board) until 7th st. because of this, the action was first on me from 4st on, so i had no chances to raise.

my question: with my hand fully visible (even though i could have had the boat), should i have respected the raise on 7th st and folded? he knew one of my aces was dead, and his boat would beat my boat (if i had one of 9's over aces).

so - fold or call one more bet?

Party Poker 0.50/1 (0.25 ante) Seven Card Stud High (8 handed)

3rd Street: (4 SB) Hero is Seat 8 with Q, T, A(8 players)Seat 1: xx xx T
Seat 2: xx xx A
Seat 3: xx xx 4
Seat 4: xx xx 8
Seat 5: xx xx T
Seat 6: xx xx J
Seat 7: xx xx 8
Hero: Q T A

Action: Seat 3 brings it in for $0.25, Seat 4 calls, Seat 5 calls, Seat 6 calls, Seat 7 calls, Hero calls, Seat 1 calls, Seat 2 folds.

4th Street: (7.50 SB) Hero catches A (7 players)
Seat 1: xx xx T K
Seat 3: xx xx 4 7
Seat 4: xx xx 8 A
Seat 5: xx xx T 2
Seat 6: xx xx J 7
Seat 7: xx xx 8 4
Hero: Q T A A

Action: Hero double bets, Seat 1 calls, Seat 3 folds, Seat 4 folds, Seat 5 folds, Seat 6 calls, Seat 7 calls.

5th Street: (7.75 BB) Hero catches 9 (4 players)
Seat 1: xx xx T K 6
Seat 6: xx xx J 7 2
Seat 7: xx xx 8 4 J
Hero: Q T A A 9

Action: Hero bets, Seat 1 folds, Seat 6 folds, Seat 7 calls.

6th Street: (9.75 BB) Hero catches 9 (2 players)
Seat 7: xx xx 8 4 J 8
Hero: Q T A A 9 9

Action: Hero bets, Seat 7 calls.

7th Street: (11.75 BB) Hero catches 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, Seat 7 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Results in white below:
Seat 7 has Jh Qc 8s 4s Jd 8c Jc (full house, jacks full of eights).
Hero has Qh Th Ad Ac 9d 9c 6c (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: Seat 7 wins 15.75 BB.
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Old 09-13-2004, 06:45 PM #2 (permalink)  
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It's hard to go wrong calling one more bet in a big pot. Kinda picking the lessor of the two evils.

With a dead Ace + Ten, I might muck this on 3rd. Although the ante is kind big...
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Old 09-13-2004, 10:00 PM #3 (permalink)  
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yeah - i thought calling was better even though i was probably beat.

i still can't believe he stayed in on 6th st when my visible hand beat his whole hand!
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Old 09-14-2004, 01:37 AM #4 (permalink)  
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If I'm just playing what I'm showing, or just playing a hand I've had and obviously have been representing from early on (a high two pair type hand with one pair showing), I think I may be beat now, but its still a strong hand that I won't fold on the river, I prefer to just check / call.

And especially if you're just playing the board, its really silly to bet the river. No one with half a brain will call your bet if they can't beat what you're showing, and they'll call / raise if they do. Likewise, a check may induce the rare bluff, which is more profit.

A lesser hand won't call, but may bet if checked to, and a better hand will likely make you put an extra bet, so check calling seems like the better way to play it.
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Old 09-14-2004, 02:32 AM #5 (permalink)  
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However against bad players, bet/call or bet/fold is almost always better than check/call. Moving up, I think it's better to start out with an Aggro river and then learn against who and when to slow down.
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Old 10-11-2004, 05:57 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I agree more with Michael. You tend to check these type of situations. The only reason they are playing 6th street is b/c their chasing or your already beat. So if you dont make your boat, its better to check. This situation is obvious enough where a "bad player" wont pay you off on the river (Aces-up) if they couldnt beat whats showing.

Yes, mucking 3rd is probably correct even if there wasnt any A's or 10's showing
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