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pokerlearner

04-29-2005, 08:16 AM Post subject: Need help plugging leaks in my game. its a damn sieve !!

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Join Date: Feb 2005

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Posts: 366

Thanks to all of you in advance for your time and efforts in analyzing and advising steps to fix my game.

After 2938 hands, and comparing to my stats when i had played only 1000

VP$IP: 20.73 (down from 23 in 1000 hands. trying to tighten up)
PFR: 7.39 (down from 8.x in 1000 hands)
Won $ at SD: 46,64. same as before....
Aggression factor: 1.04 (down from 1.2 something)

BB/100 hands: -3.72

. But I am not going to give it up. Have to work at it harder to improve i guess.

I know that 2900 hands is insignificant, just wanted comments if i am moving in right direction. Right now I am SLAP. hoping to become TAP by the time i play 4000 hands.

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Hand 1:

I am suspecting my capping on flop is incorrect right ?? with a flush draw out there (who will never fold) and also with a made straight, my set could be beaten right now or in the future if my set doesnt improve to full house. However, i didnt think that there could have been a made straight because its unlikely someone would stick around when preflop it was capped with K-10, well maybe K-10 suited

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A

, A

.
2 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) Q

, J

, A

(3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Button 3-bets, Hero caps, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) K

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (15.75 BB) 4

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac Ad (three of a kind, aces).
MP2 has 5d Td (flush, queen high).
Button has Qh Qs (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: MP2 wins 18.75 BB.
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Hand 2:
good fold on the turn. no need to checkraise and represent A-High kicker ??
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K

, K

.
4 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) Q

, 5

, A

(3 players)
BB bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 9

(3 players)
BB bets, MP3 calls, Hero folds.

River: (8.25 BB) Q

(2 players)
BB bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 2s Ac (two pair, aces and queens).
MP3 has Ah 6s (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: BB wins 5.12 BB. MP3 wins 5.12 BB.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Hand 3:
Should I bet /check raise the turn. I dont have my flush yet, but I have an overcard so a few more outs??
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with T

, A

.
4 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J

, 8

, 2

(3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Td Ad (high card, ace).
Button has 3c 7c (high card, king).
Outcome: Hero wins 7.75 BB.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Hand 4:

Should I raise the flop. I usually like checkraising the turn. did i miss a bet there. If my play here was incorrect, in what circumstances, bet out the flop and in what circumstances just call and check raise the turn.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, A

.
7 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 3

, J

, K

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (2.50 BB) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button calls.

River: (6.50 BB) J

(2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd Ac (two pair, kings and jacks).
Button has 5h 3h (two pair, jacks and fives).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.50 BB.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Hand 5:
I thought i played this ok.
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T

, T

.
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 8

, 9

, 2

(3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 6

(3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (10.75 BB) K

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Th Tc (one pair, tens).
CO has 8d 8h (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: CO wins 12.75 BB.
----------------------------------------------------------
Hand 6:
Maybe should have bet the flop right. especially with flush draw out there. missed a bet there on flop in hoping to to check call on flop so i can check raise the turn.
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A

, 6

.
1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, 4 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 6

, 6

, 5

(4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.25 BB) K

(4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 folds, Button raises, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (11.25 BB) T

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 8c Kh (two pair, kings and sixes).
Hero has As 6s (three of a kind, sixes).
Button has Kd Jh (two pair, kings and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 14.25 BB.
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Hand 7:

The pot was huge on the turn. I thought for quite a few secs and then folded. Maybe I should have called because of the pot size (as Ed miller says, to not fold if the pot is huge). When the hell will I start making correct decisions on my AQ hands. No wonder i am losing my ass off in these hands. I am getting outplayed time after time.
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

, Q

.
2 folds, MP1 raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB 3-bets, MP1 caps, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 2

, 9

, Q

(4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10 BB) K

(4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, MP1 raises, Hero folds, SB calls.

River: (14 BB) Q

(2 players)
SB bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 9d 5d (two pair, queens and nines).
MP1 has Kh As (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: MP1 wins 16 BB.
----------------------------------------------------------
Hand 8:
bad play on turn?? worried about being outkicked or 2 pair. it was 3 bet preflop. was it poor call preflop. I thought A-J suited is good enough to see the flop.
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

, A

.
UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, CO 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 2

, A

, T

(4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) Q

(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks.

River: (8.50 BB) 3

(4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO folds.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Jh Ah (one pair, aces).
UTG has 6c 6d (one pair, sixes).
UTG+1 has Qh 8h (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.50 BB.
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Hand 9:

chasing away should i have raised the turn. have 2 overcards too.
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q

, T

.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, Hero calls, 4 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 6

, 8

, 2

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 3

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: (7.25 BB) 9

(2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero caps, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Results in white below:
MP2 has Th 7h (straight, ten high).
Hero has Qd Td (flush, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins 15.25 BB.

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Trikflow77

04-29-2005, 08:31 AM

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hand 1: CAPPING THE FOLD IS CORRECT!!!!
hand 2: Fine
hand 3: fine,
hand 4: Raise pre flop(yes from the BB), bet the flop, or c/r here. why act weak till the river here. Bet flop, bet turn and bet river here.
hand 5: I fold here
hand 6: bet flop,
hand 7: raise pre flop, raise the flop, it makes the turn easiers here, the turn fold isnt bad though without a redraw.
hand 8: Fold it pre flop. Tough to play out of position. I would go for a c/r on the flop here. why check the turn?
hand 9: fold pre flop, this is a leak. Fold the flop, this is a leak

Fnord

04-29-2005, 08:31 AM

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Too loose/passive with a touch of FPS. You suck worse than I do

Hand 1: Sucks to be you
Hand 2: With a bet + call in front I would just fold the flop, the pot isn't even really big relative to most KK hands I play.
Hand 3: You might 3-bet the flop, meh. It worked
Hand 4: Gotta put in a bet pre-flop and lead the flop.
Hand 5: Well played
Hand 6: Fold pre-flop unless the table is really loose/passive/horrible. Just bet your bloody hand and they will bloody call.
Hand 7: 3-bet or fold pre-flop. Raise the flop for value unless you planned to pop a non-spade turn, although I don't see any reason to think someone has a flush draw so just get in the extra bet when you have the chance.
Hand 8: Bet duh turn
Hand 9: Fold pre-flop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Fnord

04-29-2005, 08:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trikflow77

hand 5: I fold here

Where?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Trikflow77

04-29-2005, 08:34 AM

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On hand 5 who raises a blank without a hand, I think this is an easy fold multi way.

Trikflow77

04-29-2005, 08:35 AM

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I didnt see the gut shot, so it might make me call, but yuck, I dont like this spot.

Fnord

04-29-2005, 08:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trikflow77

On hand 5 who raises a blank without a hand, I think this is an easy fold multi way.

Interesting... I still don't like laying down an over-pair + gutshot in a big pot without looking at 2 bets cold and a nice read on the side.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trikflow77

hand 8: Fold it pre flop. Tough to play out of position. I would go for a c/r on the flop here. why check the turn?

Yeah, didn't notice the pre-flop action. It's s00ted and multi-way so I don't think it's an auto-fold. However, he probably should lay this down until he learns how not to suck so hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Fnord

04-29-2005, 08:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trikflow77

I didnt see the gut shot, so it might make me call, but yuck, I dont like this spot.

So often that's what limit is all about. "You have to call, sucks to be you."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Trikflow77

04-29-2005, 08:40 AM

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with newer players, i think tighter is better, less chance for mistakes IMO.
HUon hand 5 I would call down all day, but this looks like a straight or set raise to me. In fairness i didnt see the turn gutshot, so i would have called down, but without it i fold here.

Fnord

04-29-2005, 08:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trikflow77

with newer players, i think tighter is better, less chance for mistakes IMO.

Yeah, he should be runing 12% VP$IP or so then add more hands + pre-flop aggression. I think the cure for playing too loose is playing too tight for a while. Fire up two tables to avoid bordem + micro-tilt when you finally catch a hand and get sucked out on or have to lay it down.

Certainly should be laying down to singles raises pre-flop quite often. He made the worst possible pre-flop play with the AQo hand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trikflow77

HUon hand 5 I would call down all day, but this looks like a straight or set raise to me. In fairness i didnt see the turn gutshot, so i would have called down, but without it i fold here.

I still call down without a read. I see too much silly aggro to let this one go so easily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Trikflow77

04-29-2005, 08:52 AM

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Quote:

totally agree here

Quote:

I still call down without a read. I see too much silly aggro to let this one go so easily.

I guess i should take into account the limit he is playing at, to me it would take a total donk to raise without a hand here. but with the gutshot, i would call the turn, and then call the river. I made the statement not seeing the gutty. It is tought to fold an overpair on that board though.

Demiparadigm

04-29-2005, 12:21 PM

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Hand 1- I cap the flop, and bet the turn. I only slow down to a raise on the turn, when a straight is possible. You still have 10 outs to a boat or better.

Hand 2- I fold to a bet and a call on the flop.

Hand 3- looks good.

Hand 4- raise pre flop, bet the flop, bet the turn, bet the river.

Hand 5- I sometimes cap the turn, depending on my read. What did you think villian had? Looks fine though.

Hand 6- fold pre flop. This is a late position hand. Bet the flop.

Hand 7- fold pre flop. raise the flop. turn fold is good.

hand 8- looks good. Aj suited is fine to call. fold AJo. bet the turn.

hand 9- fold pre flop. fold the flop. turn and river are good.

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pokerlearner

04-29-2005, 04:50 PM

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one comment on hand 4: I was in big blind and by the time the action got to me, there were only 2 players left and everyone had folded. So that was why i thought, its not a bad hand to go against 2 players. If i raise now and these two fold I only get 2 small bets.

I always raise or 3 bet (90% of time) from any other position. I would have raised too if there were 3-4 players limping in.

flawed thinking ?

Also, is 20% VP$IP too high. I feel that I am folding much of the time but maybe thats still high. In the last two days (500 or so hands) I have been seeing 22% of the flop (overall, including blinds) so maybe the data is skewed from previous plays.

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