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pokerlearner
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05-29-2005, 10:23 AM
Post subject: need b&M advice, please help
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Hi folks,
I am going with 2 of my friends to a local Indian casino here. This will be my second B&M session EVER. I have only been there once before but that was quite a while back (at least in poker learning years ). Anyways, i have definitely matured and improved a lot since those days thanks to FTR folks here.
Any advice for tomorrow ? In this casino, in typical 2-4 session when you raise preflop, 7-8 out of 9 people will call you. what sort of hands should i play ? still follow Ed Miller's books starting hands. But i guess no matter what book we follow, in these games the money will be made in correct post flop play. Actually to be honest, the average standard of PartyPoker 0.5-1$ tables is WAY TIGHTER and BETTER players than what we saw at the b&m here (and my best buddy who plays at party and the b&m too aggrees). at party you can get some people to fold by pfr, but here no such luck. its routine to have 3-4 people go to showdown.
also, since the tables are usually VERY passive, should i start playing suited connectors, one gap etc from middle and maybe even from early position (assuming the table condition exists where rarely anyone is raising) ? and fold on flop if dont get 4-flush or OESD. with 6-7 people calling the flop isnt there almost always the odds to call with suited connectors from almost any position.?
Also, if more than 3-4 players are calling should i lay down my overpair to any paired flop or turn ? odds are too high that someone has made trips ?
Thanks again in advance for your advice. I hope to have the night end different this time.
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Fnord
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Can you afford 4/8? The rake + tip + jackpot must really suck at 2/4.
In short, the pots will be so big you can't fold good hands for a single bet. If you like laying down big hands, then play No Limit.
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If your bankroll can support it, play above the lowest limit game in the casino. I played 5/10 last night because the 4/8 game was packed and I noticed a ton of better play. PFRs would be respected and less than half of the table would be in any given hand.
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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Fnord
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For what it's worth, I no longer think the number of players to a flop directly maps to the profitability of a given game.
If you're a good player, having regular 6+ way flops can actually be quite fustrating.
My favorite table texture these days is 2 really bad players to my right, 2 rock tight players (who don't like to play their blinds and fold pretty good offsuit dominated hands to raises) to my left and a bunch of ABC kinda weak guys with leaks filling in the rest of the table.
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pokerlearner
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05-29-2005, 08:04 PM
Post subject: yes totally
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I have to totally agree that when 6 players see the flop you cant be really very happy unless you are playing big broadway suited cards for that hand. the trouble i got into the last time was i was ramming and jamming my KK and AA on a paired board and we all know how THAT ends. 
of course i hope my play has evolved far beyond that now.
No, i dont have the bankroll to play 3-6 or 4-8, but i wouldnt play 4-8 anyways because they are all with KILL and that scares the shit out of me. 3-6 is not kill and my buddy used to play 3-6 but has moved down after reading FTR bankroll management. He says he can crush the game but needs teh bankroll to ride out the swings.
i plan to play a 6 hour session lets see how that goes. also again,
1)what do you think about limping in from suited connectors from any position on a passive table. except for the rare occastion it gets raised, if 6-7 players are limping in, isnt it always correct to play any suited connectors say 6-7 onwards
2) also with 6-7 people calling every pfr, is it worth it to raise JJ or 10-10 any more. other than from pot equity principle, we want to cut down the field with 10-10 and JJ. but if 6-7 people call that theory doesnt work does it. please give me your thoughts.
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Fnord
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05-29-2005, 10:34 PM
Post subject: Re: yes totally
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Originally Posted by pokerlearner
2) also with 6-7 people calling every pfr, is it worth it to raise JJ or 10-10 any more. other than from pot equity principle, we want to cut down the field with 10-10 and JJ. but if 6-7 people call that theory doesnt work does it. please give me your thoughts.
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JJ/TT still gain value as the field becomes larger. Just not as much as bigger pairs.
I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm finding it more profitable to isolate one or two fish at a time since they will rarely hit the board and I have more room to "play poker." In a big multi-way pot, it's much more of a card catching contest.
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pokerlearner
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05-30-2005, 10:45 AM
Post subject: good b&m session
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Finally had a good overall session at the local B&M. played for about 8 and a half hours at 2-4 limit and finished up 135$. Was up close to 200$ but lost 60$ on a couple of hands (set of Aces beat to a runner runner flush, pocket kings to AJo when Ace hit the flop)
lessons learned from this session:
1) Patience is very important. in online, when I am feeling impatient, i start multitabling and that keeps boredom in check as i am seeing a lot more hands. here i was folding and folding...and folding most of the time.
2) I need to value bet the river a lot more. gave up a lot of bets on the river.
3) Play very cautiously when board pairs on flop. some people were calling all the way till the river with their trips and never raised even.
4) i have never seen so many people not raise preflop with KK,QQ,JJ and AK. you think your pair is good but someone shows you a QQ on the river.
5) when someone raises preflop on these passive tables, you can safely muck most of your cards
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