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Old 08-19-2005, 12:29 PM     Post subject: my limit experience #1 (permalink)  
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 ok. i decided to sit at a weiner limit table to see what happened. WTF do i do in this hand? did i do right?

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$0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 19, 08:20:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 25383 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: DannyBrujo ( $22.75 )
Seat 2: leggs805 ( $25.75 )
Seat 3: MrKowasaki ( $23.13 )
Seat 4: Wahoo2006 ( $33.75 )
Seat 5: bigE52 ( $14.75 )
Seat 7: FFREDDYDEEB1 ( $29.25 )
Seat 8: bishop22222 ( $55.50 )
Seat 9: mette30 ( $2.87 )
Seat 10: fresun ( $18.75 )
Seat 6: Cheetah76 ( $20 )
bishop22222 posts small blind [$0.25].
mette30 posts big blind [$0.50].
bigE52 posts big blind + dead [$0.75].
Cheetah76 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Qc Qd ]
fresun folds.
DannyBrujo folds.
leggs805 calls [$0.50].
>You have options at Table 37026 (6 max) Table!.
MrKowasaki calls [$0.50].
Wahoo2006 raises [$1].
bigE52 calls [$0.50].
Cheetah76 calls [$0.50].
FFREDDYDEEB1 folds.
bishop22222 raises [$1.25].
mette30 folds.
leggs805 folds.
MrKowasaki calls [$1].
Wahoo2006 raises [$1].
bigE52 calls [$1].
Cheetah76 calls [$1].
bishop22222 calls [$0.50].
MrKowasaki calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 7s, 7c ]
bishop22222 bets [$0.50].
MrKowasaki calls [$0.50].
Wahoo2006 raises [$1].
bigE52 raises [$1.50].
Cheetah76 calls [$1.50].
bishop22222 raises [$1.50].
MrKowasaki calls [$1.50].
Wahoo2006 calls [$1].
bigE52 calls [$0.50].
Cheetah76 calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
bishop22222 checks.
MrKowasaki checks.
Wahoo2006 checks.
bigE52 bets [$1].
Cheetah76 calls [$1].
bishop22222 calls [$1].
MrKowasaki calls [$1].
>You have options at Table 37026 (6 max) Table!.
Wahoo2006 calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
bishop22222 checks.
MrKowasaki checks.
Wahoo2006 checks.
bigE52 bets [$1].
Cheetah76 calls [$1].
bishop22222 raises [$2].
MrKowasaki calls [$2].
Wahoo2006 calls [$2].
bigE52 calls [$1].
Cheetah76 calls [$1].
bishop22222 shows [ Kh, Kd ] two pairs, kings and sevens.
MrKowasaki doesn't show [ Jc, 9s ] two pairs, jacks and sevens.
Wahoo2006 shows [ Qc, Qd ] two pairs, queens and sevens.
bigE52 shows [ 5c, 7h ] a full house, Sevens full of fives.
Cheetah76 doesn't show [ 4d, 4c ] two pairs, sevens and fours.
bigE52 wins $35.25 from the main pot with a full house, Sevens full of fives.

looking back at it, i think my river call is just dumb, but I just saw the pot was like 25 dollars. what else is wrong?
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Old 08-19-2005, 12:57 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 max, 10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q. MP3 posts a blind of $0.75. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, MP3 (poster) calls, CO (poster) calls, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero caps, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (22.50 SB) 5, 7, 7 (5 players)
SB bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, CO calls, SB caps, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (21.25 BB) J (5 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, CO calls, SB calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (26.25 BB) 8 (5 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, CO calls, SB raises, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 36.25 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Kh Kd (two pair, kings and sevens).
MP1 has Jc 9s (two pair, jacks and sevens).
Hero has Qc Qd (two pair, queens and sevens).
MP3 has 5c 7h (full house, sevens full of fives).
CO has 4d 4c (two pair, sevens and fours).
Outcome: MP3 wins 36.25 BB.
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anyways, fold the river.
 
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Old 08-19-2005, 02:25 PM #3 (permalink)  
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You need to learn to river a 3rd Q.
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Old 08-19-2005, 03:44 PM #4 (permalink)  
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You need to learn to river a 3rd Q.
I agree. It took me many months to learn this ability, but I think I've finally got it down.
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Old 08-19-2005, 03:58 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Old 08-19-2005, 08:55 PM #6 (permalink)  
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** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 7s, 7c ]
bishop22222 bets [$0.50].
MrKowasaki calls [$0.50].
Wahoo2006 raises [$1].
bigE52 raises [$1.50].
Cheetah76 calls [$1.50].
bishop22222 raises [$1.50].
MrKowasaki calls [$1.50].
Wahoo2006 calls [$1].
bigE52 calls [$0.50].
Cheetah76 calls [$0.50].
Here is where I start to think I don't have the best hand......6 handed for 3 bets after a flop like that? Are your opps ALL tools? What are you drawing to here besides a 3rd queen? What would all your opps reasonably raise/call 3 bets with on a flop like 7/5/5? Again, if the answer to that is absolutely anything, fine. If not, I think you have to give at least one credit for trips and/or higher pocket pair.

Sometimes it's tough but you have to lay the queens down....
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Old 08-19-2005, 09:01 PM #7 (permalink)  
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** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 7s, 7c ]
bishop22222 bets [$0.50].
MrKowasaki calls [$0.50].
Wahoo2006 raises [$1].
bigE52 raises [$1.50].
Cheetah76 calls [$1.50].
bishop22222 raises [$1.50].
MrKowasaki calls [$1.50].
Wahoo2006 calls [$1].
bigE52 calls [$0.50].
Cheetah76 calls [$0.50].
Here is where I start to think I don't have the best hand......6 handed for 3 bets after a flop like that? Are your opps ALL tools? What are you drawing to here besides a 3rd queen? What would all your opps reasonably raise/call 3 bets with on a flop like 7/5/5? Again, if the answer to that is absolutely anything, fine. If not, I think you have to give at least one credit for trips and/or higher pocket pair.

Sometimes it's tough but you have to lay the queens down....
AK is a legitimate three-betting hand.
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Old 08-19-2005, 09:18 PM #8 (permalink)  
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** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 7s, 7c ]
bishop22222 bets [$0.50].
MrKowasaki calls [$0.50].
Wahoo2006 raises [$1].
bigE52 raises [$1.50].
Cheetah76 calls [$1.50].
bishop22222 raises [$1.50].
MrKowasaki calls [$1.50].
Wahoo2006 calls [$1].
bigE52 calls [$0.50].
Cheetah76 calls [$0.50].
Here is where I start to think I don't have the best hand......6 handed for 3 bets after a flop like that? Are your opps ALL tools? What are you drawing to here besides a 3rd queen? What would all your opps reasonably raise/call 3 bets with on a flop like 7/5/5? Again, if the answer to that is absolutely anything, fine. If not, I think you have to give at least one credit for trips and/or higher pocket pair.

Sometimes it's tough but you have to lay the queens down....
AK is a legitimate three-betting hand.
I agree, if it's 3 handed and there's only 1 bet in front of me. Hell, on this flop, QQ is a definite capping hand 3 handed.

But this pot is 3 bets, 6 handed. Again, either all of your opps are complete morons, or someone has you drawing to two outs.
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Old 08-19-2005, 09:35 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Against two reraises after your opening bet on the flop I think I'm dropping this. With KK, that decision becomes much harder. At this level, with that many people playing and the board pairing, I'm looking for a way out. It's frustrating as hell to think the big blind is calling a raise with 75o but at this level "Any hand can win!!!" Just remember in the long run this guy is paying you.
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Old 08-19-2005, 09:40 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Here is where I lay this down. I just don't see myself making this laydown on the flop. Too much stupid stuff goes on in big pots with small bets.

SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, CO calls, SB raises, MP1 calls, QQ is no g00t.
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Old 08-20-2005, 12:07 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 ah ok. I figured that my only mistake was calling the river bet, I just got fixated on the pot being so big relative to the bet - i guess that's just nl talking.

And, basically you're saying that this is the proper way to have played this hand?

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$0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 19, 19:59:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 13962 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: debux ( $4 )
Seat 2: Aqshun ( $27.50 )
Seat 3: ChestrCheeto ( $37.25 )
Seat 4: tbone8888888 ( $17 )
Seat 5: byrexstart ( $71 )
Seat 6: longball300 ( $30.50 )
Seat 7: pogi166 ( $31.25 )
Seat 8: nvr_blf ( $23 )
Seat 10: Budakris ( $23.25 )
Seat 9: Wahoo2006 ( $25 )
Aqshun posts small blind [$0.25].
ChestrCheeto posts big blind [$0.50].
Wahoo2006 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Jh Th ]
>You have options at Table 31008 Table!.
tbone8888888 folds.
byrexstart folds.
Budakris: wow! you are lucky!
longball300 calls [$0.50].
pogi166 folds.
nvr_blf folds.
Wahoo2006 checks.
Budakris calls [$0.50].
>You have options at Table 31008 Table!.
debux folds.
>You have options at Table 31008 Table!.
Aqshun folds.
ChestrCheeto checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 8h, 9s ]
ChestrCheeto bets [$0.50].
longball300 calls [$0.50].
Wahoo2006 raises [$1].
Budakris folds.
ChestrCheeto calls [$0.50].
longball300 calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
ChestrCheeto checks.
longball300 checks.
Wahoo2006 bets [$1].
ChestrCheeto raises [$2].
longball300 folds.
Wahoo2006 raises [$2].
ChestrCheeto raises [$2].
Wahoo2006 calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
ChestrCheeto bets [$1].
Wahoo2006 raises [$2].
ChestrCheeto raises [$2].
Wahoo2006: sorry dude
Wahoo2006 raises [$2].
ChestrCheeto calls [$1].
Wahoo2006 shows [ Jh, Th ] a straight flush, jack high.
ChestrCheeto doesn't show [ 9d, 8d ] a full house, Nines full of eights.
Wahoo2006 wins $20.25 from the main pot with a straight flush, jack high.
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Old 08-20-2005, 01:02 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Old 08-20-2005, 04:35 AM #13 (permalink)  
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 ok i will. at first, i honestly was just playing limit because i had played maybe 40 hands of it and was down 20 bucks in .5/1 and 20 bucks in 2/4. I didn't like the red in my pokertracker, so I figured I'd get it back into the green, and I realized that is easier said than done, so now i'm thinking maybe i'll play a little 2/4 to try to at least be competent in limit.
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Old 08-20-2005, 07:16 AM #14 (permalink)  
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Funny thing about NL players playing limit. Often they make much bling and have trouble going back...
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Old 08-20-2005, 01:39 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Funny thing about NL players playing limit. Often they make much bling and have trouble going back...
*crosses fingers*

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Old 08-20-2005, 03:50 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Funny thing about NL players playing limit. Often they make much bling and have trouble going back...
Agreed
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Funny thing about NL players playing limit. Often they make much bling and have trouble going back...
Definitely.

Oh and here's the converted version of the last hand Greedo posted, FYP:

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Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J, T. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, Hero (poster) checks, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 7, 8, 9 (4 players)
BB bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, CO folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 9 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, BB raises, UTG+2 folds, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 6 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Final Pot: 21.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 9d 8d (full house, nines full of eights).
Hero has Jh Th (straight flush, jack high).
Outcome: Hero wins 21.25 BB.
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Funny thing about NL players playing limit. Often they make much bling and have trouble going back...
Definitely.

Oh and here's the converted version of the last hand Greedo posted, FYP:

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Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J:heart:, T:heart:. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, Hero (poster) checks, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 7:heart:, 8:heart:, 9:spade: (4 players)
BB bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, CO folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 9:heart: (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, BB raises, UTG+2 folds, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 6:spade: (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Final Pot: 21.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 9d 8d (full house, nines full of eights).
Hero has Jh Th (straight flush, jack high).
Outcome: Hero wins 21.25 BB.
crazy
I won less money when I got a straight flush... probably because my opponents just check/called to the end
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Funny thing about NL players playing limit. Often they make much bling and have trouble going back...
ya after my +50 bb session at 2/4 a while back, I've been trying to sharpen up my limit game.
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That QQ hand, I am folding on the flop ... someone's got a 7 or pocket 5s.
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