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| Da GOAT |
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Hey guys, if you got time please have a look over these important hands in my first session of PLO. No reads though coz im busy figuring out my OWN hand #1 Poker Stars Pot Limit Omaha Ring game Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $21.75 UTG+1: $36.90 CO: $4.40 Button: $10.10 SB: $7.55 Hero: $25 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q  J  K J  UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.75, CO folds, Button calls $0.75 (pot was $1.1), SB calls $0.65 (pot was $1.85), Hero calls $0.5 (pot was $2.5). Flop: J  6 7 ($3, 4 players)SB checks, Hero bets $2.25, UTG+1 folds, Button calls $2.25 (pot was $5.25), SB calls $2.25 (pot was $7.5). Turn: 4 ($9.75, 3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $7, Button folds, SB calls all-in $4.55. Uncalled bets: $2.45 returned to Hero. River: 4 ($18.85, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $18.85)Results: Final pot: $18.85 #2 Poker Stars Pot Limit Omaha Ring game Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $3.20 UTG+1: $5.80 CO: $5 Hero: $38.95 SB: $5.90 BB: $39.20 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A Q 4 A UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.25 (pot was $0.35), CO raises to $1.1, Hero raises to $3.9, SB folds, BB calls $3.65 (pot was $5.6), UTG+1 raises all-in $5.8, CO calls all-in $3.9, Hero calls $1.9 (pot was $17.6), BB calls $1.9 (pot was $19.5). Flop: Q 3 3 ($17.6, 2 players + 2 all-in - Main pot: $20.1)BB checks, Hero bets $14, BB folds. Uncalled bets: $14 returned to Hero. Turn: 4 ($17.6, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $20.1)River: 8 ($17.6, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $20.1)Results: Final pot: $17.6 #3 Poker Stars Pot Limit Omaha Ring game Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $3.40 UTG+1: $6.75 Hero: $23.15 Button: $25.75 SB: $11.40 BB: $27.10 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T Q 9 A UTG calls $0.25 (pot was $0.35), UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $1.1, Button calls $1.1 (pot was $1.7), 2 folds, UTG calls $0.85 (pot was $2.8). Flop: T 2 7 ($3.65, 3 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $3, Button folds, UTG calls all-in $2.3. Uncalled bets: $0.7 returned to Hero. Turn: T ($8.25, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $8.25)River: T ($8.25, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $8.25)Results: Final pot: $8.25 #4 Poker Stars Pot Limit Omaha Ring game Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $32.70 UTG+1: $9.05 CO: $8.80 Button: $11.95 SB: $5.65 Hero: $23.55 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K T 9 Q UTG calls $0.25 (pot was $0.35), UTG+1 calls $0.25 (pot was $0.6), CO calls $0.25 (pot was $0.85), Button folds, SB calls $0.15 (pot was $1.1), Hero checks. Flop: A 6 J ($1.25, 5 players)SB checks, Hero bets $1, 2 folds, CO raises to $4.2, SB folds, Hero raises to $13.8, CO calls all-in $4.35. Uncalled bets: $5.25 returned to Hero. Turn: T ($18.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $18.35)River: 3 ($18.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $18.35)Results: Final pot: $18.35 #5 Poker Stars Pot Limit Omaha Ring game Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 5 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $29.05 CO: $3.70 Hero: $31.10 SB: $16.05 BB: $18.55 Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 5 T A A UTG calls $0.25 (pot was $0.35), CO folds, Hero raises to $1.1, SB calls $1 (pot was $1.7), BB folds, UTG calls $0.85 (pot was $2.7). Flop: 3 6 4 ($3.55, 3 players)SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.5, SB folds, UTG calls $2.5 (pot was $6.05). Turn: 9 ($8.55, 2 players)UTG bets $8.15, Hero raises all-in $27.5, UTG calls all-in $17.3. Uncalled bets: $2.05 returned to Hero. River: 5 ($59.45, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $59.45)Results: Final pot: $59.45 |
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hand 1 either bet the pot on the flop or check-raise pot-size. This isn't holdem; the 'standard' bet is pot, not 3/4 pot. There should be a specific motivation for not betting the pot. clearly a bet on the turn here. Most likely draw is club flush rather than 58 for a straight. Would make it easier if you had bet the pot. And you're never drawing dead hand 2 not much you can do there pre flop. you can't really anticipate UTG going all in so you just have to raise pot size rather than leave him enough for a full raise. On the flop I'd check. He never folds a hand that beats you, hardly calls with a hand that you beat, and there's pretty much nothing that improves his hand to beat you. Perhaps 2 pairs in the hole for 4 outs, but that's a long shot. Because of the shortstack all in, there's just nothing to be gained by making BB fold hand 3 don't mind raising on the CO to try buying the button. Flop just plays itself. NH hand 4 pot building bet on the flop is OK. Isolation is not ideal but you've got so much equity and you're OOP so all in is mandatory hand 5 Terrible. I'm not putting a dime in on the flop. If you had kept the pot small you could simply call the turn in position and fold the blank river generally playing OK. I'd be surprised if you couldn't beat this game |
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There is a lot of debate about pot control in tough spots in Hold'em. For Omaha there is no debate. This game is all about manipulating the size of the pot and exploiting the crap out of commitment mistakes. Hand 1: It's fine Hand 2: In passive, fishy games if you never re-raised pre-flop you're not making a big mistake. You're really setting yoursellf up for a major commitment error here. Hand 3: Ni Han. I mgiht be a big more careful if the button + blinds are really loose. Hand 4: I check this flop because I want to play turns and rivers in this spot. Hand 5: Check flop, you have nothing. Fail that, raising the turn is just spew, UTG should have blown you off your hand with that bet. |
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| How is PS $25PLO game? | ||
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| Da GOAT |
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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I think this is a case where potting the flop would be a mistake. wshah23 - Thinking LAgg who's trying to make the game play bigger. No one else stands out. The LAgg is driving the table texture. PokerStars Game #9904054299: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/05/14 - 05:23:50 (ET) Table 'Isis IV' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: wshah23 ($315 in chips) Seat 2: ANILIHATOR ($100 in chips) Seat 3: Fnord ($146.05 in chips) Seat 4: rosafighter ($95.50 in chips) Seat 5: AAA_flop_777 ($123.70 in chips) Seat 7: andros099 ($38.25 in chips) Seat 8: Toligo ($21 in chips) Seat 9: FourKing ($94.50 in chips) rosafighter: posts small blind $0.50 AAA_flop_777: posts big blind $1 ANILIHATOR: posts big blind $1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Fnord [Ks 9h 7c Kc] andros099: calls $1 Toligo: folds FourKing: folds wshah23: raises $4.50 to $5.50 ANILIHATOR: folds Fnord: calls $5.50 rosafighter: folds AAA_flop_777: calls $4.50 andros099: calls $4.50 *** FLOP *** [Td Kd 9c] AAA_flop_777: checks andros099: checks wshah23: checks Fnord: bets $10 (into about $20) AAA_flop_777: calls $10 andros099: folds wshah23: folds *** TURN *** [Td Kd 9c] [Jc] AAA_flop_777: bets $41.40 Fnord: calls $41.40 *** RIVER *** [Td Kd 9c Jc] [2c] AAA_flop_777: bets $66.80 and is all-in Fnord: calls $66.80 *** SHOW DOWN *** AAA_flop_777: shows [5s Ad 6d Qd] (a straight, Ten to Ace) Fnord: shows [Ks 9h 7c Kc] (a flush, King high) Fnord collected $256.90 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $259.90 | Rake $3 Board [Td Kd 9c Jc 2c] Seat 1: wshah23 folded on the Flop Seat 2: ANILIHATOR folded before Flop Seat 3: Fnord (button) showed [Ks 9h 7c Kc] and won ($256.90) with a flush, King high Seat 4: rosafighter (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 5: AAA_flop_777 (big blind) showed [5s Ad 6d Qd] and lost with a straight, Ten to Ace Seat 7: andros099 folded on the Flop Seat 8: Toligo folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: FourKing folded before Flop (didn't bet) |
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| Da GOAT |
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| Fnord, just regards your hand there. i agree potting flop will bloat the pot but calling on the turn cant be good even vs a Lag. One card beats you and you dont have odds to fill up either or complete flush. | ||
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| Da GOAT |
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OK hand 5 seems to be poor from me. Ok i got AA but my other two are probably not gonna come into play but... Flop: 3 6 4 ($3.55, 3 players) SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.5, SB folds, UTG calls $2.5 (pot was $6.05). i got OESD,Overpair,BD FD. i raised PF so should i often be c/b'ing as in holdem or should my c/b % be dramtically lower. Turn: 9 ($8.55, 2 players) UTG bets $8.15, Hero raises all-in $27.5, UTG calls all-in $17.3. Uncalled bets: $2.05 returned to Hero. now ive the nut FD and the 9 didnt really help his hand but am i really to fold here or do i really need to be afraid of a str8. on a side note: Salsa/Fnord at what level does the play become alot harder?? Fnord i see you playing 100PLO is that tough. Salsa plays 400PLO and makes it look easy |
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I think 25PLO and 50PLO is taking candy from a baby. 100PLO and 200PLO similar in difficulty. 400PLO is beatable once you work out how to do it. 600, 1000, and 2000PLO gets more difficult. 25/50/100 PLO is taking candy from a baby. 200 PLO a little harder. 400PLO noticibly harder. 2000PLO you wanna be Sammy Farha's twin brother to be confident of beating it. |
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| lol such a noob, i knew that but forgot i didnt really have the OESD. doh! | ||
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Folding the turn here is pissing away money per my calculations. How do you figure it's a fold? |
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| Da GOAT |
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| sorry maybe you do have the odds to fillup or complete the FD and get paid on river. | ||
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