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pokerlearner
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08-12-2005, 05:52 PM
Post subject: My first 3-6$ session after moving up from 2-4
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Flush
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Hi guys,
After a lot of encouragement and advice from you FTR guys I finally moved up yesterday to 3-6. All in all session went ok, won 94$ in 3.5 hours.
Here is what i learnt in 1 day.
1) Had to get used to the idea of 1$ SB and 3$ BB. so I was folding a lot of my sb whereas in 2-4 I could check and see the flop in the passive games.
2) Same goes for a Preflop raise.When I was in 2-4, with 1 raise, and I am in SB or BB, I would call with any 2 suited cards (or some big paint) if enough people in (3-4) as I am getting 8:1 to see the flop. but in 3-6, when there is a preflop raise and I am in SB, it equals to coldcalling, so its an EASY FOLD for most of the hands.
3) Found the usual number of fishies in the table. I actually got raised by 1 aggressive fish (is there any such kind !!  ) on the river 2 times.
I had TP decent kicker and got raised by TP shitty kicker on the river. go figure  . I had been betting from the flop till the river. . Couldnt reraise though even knowing his tendency (on one hand he raised when overcard showed up on river, on the other hand the board completed runner runner flush).
4) I found some people at the table reraising with JUNK just to build the pot just because its been raised preflop and a few people have called. people were 3-betting preflop with 2-3s, 8-9s, A-x suited. Please advise me whether this is +EV and should I do it too when I have suited connectors and pot is raised preflop and 4-5 people have called. I dont do that. I usually fold. I only 3bet with AA-JJ, AK (s or o), AQ (s or o)
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pokerlearner
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Flush
Join Date: Feb 2005
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oh and I am still getting used to the idea of dropping some serious $$ before winning some money. I lost 85$ before I won my first pot  . Had 3 consequtive hands AKo, AQo,AQo.
No help on first two, made trip queens on flop on the third hand, bet the whole damn way and guy hit his gutshot GRRRRRRRR.
Anyways, I am buying in for 100$ and have 200$ more to reload if I drop to 70$. Does that sound about right ? My cutoff for losses for one session is 300$. Does that sound reasonable ?
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chardrian
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I rarely,if ever, get pms
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Losing lots of money is gonna happen when you go up in the ranks - $85 is just 14BBs. What's your BR at? As long as you are keeping $70 at the table - yeah you're fine - cutoff point for losses just depends on what your bankroll can withstand.
Personally - I think reraising to "build a pot" with junk is -EV. If 4-5 people have called a raise, the pot is already big, your goal in these hands is to catch a monster flop, but there is no need to throw away another bet just to make the offchance that you do hit even bigger.
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LeFou
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4-of-a-Kind
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$100 at a 3/6 table??!?! I recall doing minimum $180, usually $240
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pokerfanatic
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4-of-a-Kind
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my min at 3/6 is 150 25bb i always sit with 25bb no matter the level... and 3/6 full ring is probably too rocky to make a good profit at check out the 6max game...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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A'aag
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Straight
Join Date: May 2005
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I always sit down with 50BB. $100 is less than 17 at 3/6. Sometimes you'll lose this much in 5 minutes. It's possible you'll need 12BB for one hand. If you ever start a hand with less than this, which is very likely with what you're doing, you've seriously screwed up.
Edit: Just want to add that when I see someone buy in short, I start watching them because it already looks like they don't know what they're doing. Of course this image may help you, so...*shrug*
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pokerfanatic
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4-of-a-Kind
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i loose 25bb it's not hard to reload... 
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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Shark Bait
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Originally Posted by A'aag
I always sit down with 50BB. $100 is less than 17 at 3/6. Sometimes you'll lose this much in 5 minutes. It's possible you'll need 12BB for one hand. If you ever start a hand with less than this, which is very likely with what you're doing, you've seriously screwed up.
Edit: Just want to add that when I see someone buy in short, I start watching them because it already looks like they don't know what they're doing. Of course this image may help you, so...*shrug*
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MMMMmmmm all in in limit. It's a wonderful thing.
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<a500lbgorilla> Limit is poker with training wheels!
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A'aag
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Straight
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Originally Posted by pokerfanatic01
i loose 25bb it's not hard to reload...
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Sure, but you need to do it before you dip under 12, and if he's only starting with 16...
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pokerfanatic
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by A'aag
Sure, but you need to do it before you dip under 12, and if he's only starting with 16...
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true true... i usully relaod when i drop half my 25bb buy-in starting short stacked at 16bb whould suck...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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pokerlearner
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Flush
Join Date: Feb 2005
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thanks for the advice guys. i brought in 100$ chips to the table and 200$ in the pocket to go just from the point of convenience. (i still am a NOOB in that sense that I play chips out of the rack and dont stack them at the table.  )
anyways, now i get it why you are saying always to have 12BB with you so that you can maximize when you hit a monster. I mistyped regarding reloading, I reloaded when i have dropped 70$ (ie at 30$, 5 BB) not when I am at $70. . That is just stupid now i realise.
Hmm..will start with 150$ from now and reload as soon as i drop to $75.
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outphase
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Full House
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I am too lazy to add more, so when I buy into a 2/4 game, i leave it at a default of 10 BB, I tried 3/6 with 10BB and got reamed big time.
10BB is enough for me at 2/4, but not so in 3/6
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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A'aag
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Straight
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Originally Posted by outphase
10BB is enough for me
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How many BB does it take to cap every street, including PF?
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Demiparadigm
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Since this is B&M, Iwould recommend buying in for $100, and rebuying another $100 if you go down below $60. Buying in for 50BBs in a B&M game is silly. no one has more than $200 at the table normally, and <60 is common. Since 3/6 is a 3 chip game having a lot of chips can become cumbersome.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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Shark Bait
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Flush
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Originally Posted by A'aag
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Originally Posted by outphase
10BB is enough for me
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How many BB does it take to cap every street, including PF? |
with 4 bet caps, 12 BB, like other people have said in this thread.
At my local B&M, there are 5 bet caps and no cap heads up. You really want to have the big stack for the one in a million chance that you have the nuts and you're heads up with a guy that wants to go all in.
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<a500lbgorilla> Limit is poker with training wheels!
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A'aag
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Originally Posted by Shark Bait
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Originally Posted by A'aag
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Originally Posted by outphase
10BB is enough for me
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How many BB does it take to cap every street, including PF? |
with 4 bet caps, 12 BB, like other people have said in this thread. |
um yeah...that was me...rhetorical question
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Originally Posted by demiparadigm
Since this is B&M, Iwould recommend buying in for $100, and rebuying another $100 if you go down below $60. Buying in for 50BBs in a B&M game is silly. no one has more than $200 at the table normally, and <60 is common. Since 3/6 is a 3 chip game having a lot of chips can become cumbersome.
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Yep that's true- I didn't realize we were talking about B&M...
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outphase
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Full House
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Originally Posted by A'aag
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Originally Posted by outphase
10BB is enough for me
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How many BB does it take to cap every street, including PF? |
You're right, but I neglected to half-ass justify my decision. I usually find out how I stand at the cost over 5BB. If I feel the table is good at that point, I reload several more BB (depending on wallet size), or I request a table change.
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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Shark Bait
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Flush
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Originally Posted by A'aag
um yeah...that was me...rhetorical question
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lol...I don't pay attention to these things.
btw, I still buy in for 50BB at the B&M. Yeah not many people do that...but only for silly reasons.
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<a500lbgorilla> Limit is poker with training wheels!
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