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Old 07-23-2008, 09:05 AM     Post subject: My 2nd video thread #1 (permalink)  
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Ok, so here it is, I've recorded a 2nd video of LHE6max for you guys to check out. This is the second one I've made.
Link to the first one for completeness:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...he-t71164.html

In this one there are some interesting hands for you to comment. Sorry about the music, i was listening to it on the headphones and didnt realize since it was playing on the pc it would be recorded along. You get a nice soundtrack though.
Here's the link to the video:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ISQH6ZZA

Hope to hear your comments, criticisms, feedback and whatnot.
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Old 07-23-2008, 02:26 PM #2 (permalink)  
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that downloads much faster than porn...lol.
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:12 PM #3 (permalink)  
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aspdikas,
sound is MUCH better this time.
-AJs hand, i like the 2 barrel of the scare card 8.
-TT hand, i dont like 2barreling there. you have 3rd pair and he called 3cold pre. of course, note him as stupid.
-ATs where 2nd heart falls on turn, why donk turn after you were raised on flop?

nice rush so far. i'm thru about 6 minutes..and just saw AQo pop up again...jeez.
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Old 07-24-2008, 12:42 AM #4 (permalink)  
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aspdikas,
sound is MUCH better this time.
Good, i made sure i had the mic real close. Then when i watched and heard the music i thought i may have fucked up. If you can hear me, then it's great.

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-TT hand, i dont like 2barreling there. you have 3rd pair and he called 3cold pre. of course, note him as stupid.
You're probably right, but i was thinking his limp/call was either mid pp, Arag, or 2suited cards. At that point, i'm calling if i check and he bets because of the size of the pot, so without reads i'd rather be the aggressor. If he then raises i can find a fold. If not, i hope for a check behind on river.
There are 2hearts, so FD is a possibility there, and there is a small possibility that i can get a better hand to fold (Jx)

Still, i'm not too happy with that hand

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-ATs where 2nd heart falls on turn, why donk turn after you were raised on flop?
Well, here i think i did the correct thing. I'm oop w 2 villains behind me. last villain raised on flop. He could be drawing hoping for free card or has the ace, or has a monster. I would tend to check UI to avoid getting raised by his strongest holdings (2pair, sets...), but the 2nd heart gives me many extra outs against his strongest holdings. So on turn, once that card comes, i don't mind so much if he raises me.
The possibility of giving 2ppl a free card is big, so i'd rather lead (especially since i'm not folding turn to 1, or even 2bets now seeing the size of the pot). Plus this puts a lot of pressure on villain in the middle if he is drawing or staying around w middle pair or something. He already had to call 2 on flop, now he has to consider i really have a hand, and if he calls one, he may have to call 2 if last villain raises again.
river bluff raise by villain wasnt bad, had me thinkin, but the pot was too big to fold.
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Old 07-24-2008, 02:16 AM #5 (permalink)  
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-TT hand..i will maybe cbet the flop. but, i c/f the turn, personally. i just dont like 3rd pair in that situation. you are likely beat, and have no/little chance to improve. i understand the read of mid pp's, but i cant imagine they call a bet on that flop, unless they are stupid.

-ATs hand..i dont see why encouraging a raise is the smart thing. you dont know your A is clean. your T cant be, imo. and, since you are only relying on a flush, why not give a free card or at least control the pot? they arent folding. well, not both of them. and, you have more than enough odds to c/c, but i dont think you have enough equity to bet and call a raise for value. and, if there is the slightest chance of folding them, why would you want to fold off a weaker draw? by being passive, you may encourage him to get crazy if the flush hits. i understand the aggression, naturally, but these are situations i need to work on. the main factor for me is a) we have odds to draw and b) we have no FE. so, a semi-bluff type has to be a bit spewy, yes?

help me on this. i am not being argumentative. i just need things explained to me a few times sometimes.
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Old 07-24-2008, 02:42 AM #6 (permalink)  
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-TT hand..i will maybe cbet the flop. but, i c/f the turn, personally. i just dont like 3rd pair in that situation. you are likely beat, and have no/little chance to improve. i understand the read of mid pp's, but i cant imagine they call a bet on that flop, unless they are stupid.

-ATs hand..i dont see why encouraging a raise is the smart thing. you dont know your A is clean. your T cant be, imo. and, since you are only relying on a flush, why not give a free card or at least control the pot? they arent folding. well, not both of them. and, you have more than enough odds to c/c, but i dont think you have enough equity to bet and call a raise for value. and, if there is the slightest chance of folding them, why would you want to fold off a weaker draw? by being passive, you may encourage him to get crazy if the flush hits. i understand the aggression, naturally, but these are situations i need to work on. the main factor for me is a) we have odds to draw and b) we have no FE. so, a semi-bluff type has to be a bit spewy, yes?

help me on this. i am not being argumentative. i just need things explained to me a few times sometimes.
Again, you're probably right on the TT hand.
On the AT hand, though, This is the way i see it.
I'm gonna spend 2bets anyways, since i aint folding unless something really scary happens. If i bet /get raised, that's two bets, but a lot of info (big hand there), and am still getting odds for my flush, which if i hit, i can c/r or bet on river. If i dont hit, i'll have spent one more bet (calling down on river) than c/cing all the way. but if i get there i'll get paid more than if i c/c the turn. So if villain isnt drawing EV is same, just higher variance. See that if i didnt have something to go along with the flush it wouldnt be the same, cause here i'm going to showdown anyways with the Ace.
Same EV, then, but more aggression on my part cannot be bad, can it?
If villain has worse than me, i'm actually getting value and betting is right, if he has a hand, EV will be more or less the same since i'm not folding anyways.
Extra value added: if villain was going for a free card, he didnt get one, and the other villain in the middle is squeezed between "2 shows of strength".

What do you think of these arguments? I may be wrong, and your comments are always welcome!
thanks for discussing these hands with me
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Old 07-24-2008, 03:46 AM #7 (permalink)  
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i LOVE the ATs reasoning! i can see where you are coming from now. i just dont think that way...yet. there is still a lot of studying/playing for me to do to get there. thank you for explaining.

i'd planned on getting to the rest tonight, but i am too tired. and, you have given me somethings to think about while i am going to sleep. so, i'll get to it tomorrow/friday.
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Old 07-24-2008, 04:33 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 I just started watching. But what is that program that shows you the instant hand history?
Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
 
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Old 07-24-2008, 04:38 AM #9 (permalink)  
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I just started watching. But what is that program that shows you the instant hand history?
Thats Poker Tracker 3
Same as Poker Tracker 2 + Poker Ace Hud
I dont recommend getting it just yet though, this new version still doesnt work correctly all the time
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Old 07-24-2008, 05:12 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 Very neat feature. I was thinking about getting PT3 soon.

Did you have much trouble importing/converting your old PT2 database into PT3? I heard there were new stats/features in PT3 which might require you reimporting all the old raw hand histories if you want those stats for your old hands.
Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
 
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Old 07-24-2008, 05:23 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Very neat feature. I was thinking about getting PT3 soon.

Did you have much trouble importing/converting your old PT2 database into PT3? I heard there were new stats/features in PT3 which might require you reimporting all the old raw hand histories if you want those stats for your old hands.
Had lots of trouble, actually lost hands, had to reimport 3times...
Wait for the next build at least... this one has way too many bugs still.
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Old 07-24-2008, 05:30 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 The only hand I didn't really like was the Q8s where you defended the blind and then c-c/c-f'd the TT29 board. I just let it go on the flop. Maybe even fold preflop? I think the raisor was in the CO or HJ seat.

Mind you I suck at 6max. But thanks for posting the video, I need to learn to spew less with ace high by using it as a bluff catcher. And also value betting/taking pairs to the river more often.

One more note, man those games look juicy. I really should get back on party... Than hand where you valuebet bluffed with the best hand (KJ) near the end and the guy called with J8.. golden.
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Old 07-24-2008, 05:50 AM #13 (permalink)  
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The only hand I didn't really like was the Q8s where you defended the blind and then c-c/c-f'd the TT29 board. I just let it go on the flop. Maybe even fold preflop? I think the raisor was in the CO or HJ seat.

Mind you I suck at 6max. But thanks for posting the video, I need to learn to spew less with ace high by using it as a bluff catcher. And also value betting/taking pairs to the river more often.

One more note, man those games look juicy. I really should get back on party... Than hand where you valuebet bluffed with the best hand (KJ) near the end and the guy called with J8.. golden.
Yeah, the Q8s hand, i should've folded on the flop. It's a decent hand to defend though. Guess i thought i'd peel one, but the odds weren't right. I did think my pair outs may be clean, but it was a very loose call oop.

The games at party are very very juicy, that's the only reason i still play there though. I'd love to find the same fish at a sea with rakeback!
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Old 07-24-2008, 02:42 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Yeah, the Q8s hand, i should've folded on the flop. It's a decent hand to defend though. Guess i thought i'd peel one, but the odds weren't right. I did think my pair outs may be clean, but it was a very loose call oop.
i just dont see it with this poor an angle. Q8s has a lot going for it as blind defense preflop. he let you in with one bb because you were sitting in the BB. you may even call a raise on the BTN with such loose holdings when the tables are loose/passive. i have read that "in the big blind you should call raises rather liberally in 6max for 'one more.'" basically, if you would call a raise in LP with it, defend with it. and, i know a lot of people that would call a raise behind w/ Q8s and J8s. if the villain is a "folds in big pots" type player, i will even call his raise and donk any flop with this stuff. then, play from there.

i dont, personally, because my post flop game isnt that great yet. but, i will call a raise from the BB once in awhile with something like that (like each time they are hearts). if you hit a pair, you are likely playing it through HU. if you hit a draw, you may try a bluff raise to see if villain whiffed overs. you have some flexibility AND you are not as likely to be dominated than if you held K8 or A8. of course, the peel may have been a bit loose, but the defense pf was fine, imo.

i like to show this stuff down, on occasion, to a villain that is tight or aggressive. those are typically the players prone to watching the others, and it helps widen your range, in their eyes.

everything else seems like the same stuff that happens to me. i feel like i bluff alot, too, when called down. but, i dont know that you did that all too often, and i think you picked some good spots. a couple i raised an eyebrow at, but whatever. i liked the bluff on the river A in the KJs hand where idiot called you off with J9o. thats the benefit of bluffing too much, imo. they call with pure crap...allowing you to valuebet Ahi hands, if you have the balls to. just another nuance to master, as i am not a LAG by nature, and it appears you arent either.

good vid. i like being able to hear thoughts as they happen.
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Old 07-24-2008, 11:00 PM #15 (permalink)  
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everything else seems like the same stuff that happens to me. i feel like i bluff alot, too, when called down. but, i dont know that you did that all too often, and i think you picked some good spots. a couple i raised an eyebrow at, but whatever. i liked the bluff on the river A in the KJs hand where idiot called you off with J9o. thats the benefit of bluffing too much, imo. they call with pure crap...allowing you to valuebet Ahi hands, if you have the balls to. just another nuance to master, as i am not a LAG by nature, and it appears you arent either.

good vid. i like being able to hear thoughts as they happen.
Good to hear!
Glad the vid got some responses and hope it helped u guys to discuss it as it helps me.
Yeah, it always feels like you are bluffing too much when you are called, but I have to keep in mind that winning one of those big pots on a bluff once every 10 times is already profit in da pocket, so when it doesnt work it's not the end of the world as long as I dont overdo it.
That advertising reasoning I like too!
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