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Old 02-13-2008, 03:30 AM     Post subject: multiple limpers and 99 in LP, raise or limp? #1 (permalink)  
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This decision is probably fairly close in value, as with TT im auto raising, but 88 and 77 im more often calling for set value. Is this just one of those close areas or would raising be spewage?
Bad Flops: Anything with an AKQJT, anything 3 of same suit
Good Flops: Anything with a 9, anything with 3 cards under a 9

I thought Id do a random pokerstove to see If it would help me come to a conclusion:
hand 0: 99
limper 1(25% VPIP): 55+,A2s+,K6s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,A7o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo
limper 2(same)
limper 3(30%VPIP): 55+,A2s+,K5s+,Q7s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,A7o+,A5o,K9o+,Q9o +,J9o+,T9o
-I think we can eliminate much of the top range because they didnt raise preflop as well, but for me being a newb at statistical analysis its still in there.

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

7,400,058,512 games 53.266 secs 138,926,491 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.156% 31.25% 00.91% 2312482858 67111541.50 { 9h9s }

Hand 1: 16.292% 15.92% 00.37% 1177894126 27714306.00 { 55+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }

Hand 2: 23.300% 21.85% 01.45% 1616811490 107429895.50 { 66+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }

Hand 3: 28.251% 27.18% 01.07% 2011223192 79391103.00 { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
-therefore we have an equity edge (32%) when we are four way and a raise is justifiable even though post flop play will be tough. I know this is pretty short, and undetailed but Opinions?
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Old 02-22-2008, 06:03 PM #2 (permalink)  

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raise with 99 LP. You have position against limpers who are probably in a race at best... value bet it. Also you want to consider the value of driving the blinds out and having less hands against you.
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Old 02-22-2008, 06:22 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Raise.

You want to keep people from comming in behind you, set-up an option for a free turn card, build an aggressive pre-flop image and force the blinds to put in more bets to see a flop.

I raise the 8s too.
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Old 02-22-2008, 07:14 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I think you have to raise.

Most likely flop is one overcard and a random FD. You c-bet this flop and keep going till you meet resistance. Maybe check behind on the river.
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Old 02-22-2008, 10:10 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Raise.

You want to keep people from comming in behind you, set-up an option for a free turn card, build an aggressive pre-flop image and force the blinds to put in more bets to see a flop.

I raise the 8s too.
Meh to the force people from coming in behind you, but the rest is right on.

Calling is perfectly acceptable. It doesnt much matter. Depends on a lot of stuff.
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:57 PM #6 (permalink)  
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EDIT: this makes no sense now that i'm sober. Delete.
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Old 02-25-2008, 05:56 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Meh to the force people from coming in behind you, but the rest is right on.
Well, this depends on who is behind you. If you have two tight players back there then you can drive them out. If you've got loose passives then they're coming along for the ride, and of course if you have serious LAGs then you might be looking at a Mystery 3-Bet. Even at the levels where I'm playing I can sometimes drive out the blinds.
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